Friday, July 10, 2009

Comparisons: Biracial Children and Intelligence.

While many unfounded notions are commonly expressed by the various black female IR bloggers, one that has been on my mind recently is the notion that interracial relationships between black women and white men are superior to relationships between black men and white women. One way that they tried to promote this was by citing a study indicating that marriages between white men and NON-WHITE women tended to last longer than marriages between black men and non-black women. Somehow, the term "non-white" became synonymous with "black" in there minds, totally disregarding the fact that 3/4 of white men in interracial marriages are with Asian women. Thus, wouldn't this study be more of an indication of how well white men and Asian women do?

Now lets look at some comparisons of interracial couplings that are actually supported by the research. While surfing the web I stumbled across this particular study that did a comparison between black female/white male relationships and black male/white female relationships. The comparison was that of the IQs of the offspring of such unions. The findings are interesting:

Mixed-Race Children Born to Either a Black or a White Mother
If the Black–White IQ gap is largely hereditary, then children having one
Black and one White parent should have the same IQ on average, regardless of
which parent is Black. But if one assumes that mothers are particularly important
to the intellectual socialization of their children and if the socialization practices
of Whites are more favorable to IQ development than those of Black mothers,
then children of White mothers and Black fathers should have higher IQs than
children of Black mothers and White fathers. This could of course not have a
plausible genetic explanation. In fact, it emerges that children of White mothers
and Black fathers have IQs 9 points higher than children with Black mothers and
White fathers (Willerman, Naylor, & Myrianthopoulos, 1974). This result in itself
suggests that most of the Black–White IQ gap is environmental in origin. But
because mothers are not the only environmental influence on the child’s IQ, the
9-point difference might be regarded as a very conservative estimate of the
environmental contribution to the gap.
What do Rushton and Jensen (2005) have to say about this study? Because the
White mother–Black father pairs averaged 1 year more of education than the
Black mother–White father pairs, they conclude the study is uninterpretable! Of
course, there can be no basis for assuming that 1-year’s difference in education on
the part of the parents could possibly translate into an expected 9 IQ point
difference for the children.
306 NISBETT


Here is some further information on this subject:

Lee Willerman and his colleagues compared children with a black mother and a white father to children with a white mother and a black father. The cleanest comparison is for mixed-race children who lived only with their mother. Mixed-race children who lived with a white mother scored 11 points higher than mixed-race children who lived with a black mother. Since the black-white IQ gap averaged about 15 points at the time these two studies were done, they imply that about four-fifths of that gap was traceable to family-related factors (including schools and neighborhoods)


So basically what is being said here is that whites of both genders tend to have more favorable practices for the intellectual socialization of their children and since mothers of both races tend to play the most significant role in the intellectual socialization of their children, the children of black men and white women tend to have quite noticeably higher IQs than children of white men and black women. When men are totally eliminated from the equation, what we have is a further gap with half black children of single white women possessing an average 11 points higher score than half black children of single black women.

Of course the most notable possible example of this tendency is the fact that the first black President of the United States was raised by a white woman.

And to be fair, white men probably similarly have more favorable practices for the intellectual socialization of their children. Yet, since this intellectual socializer role is taken on to a far less extent by men, the favorable practices of white men are far less utilized for that purpose. Men place far more imphasis on serving as disciplinarians, coaches, authoritarians, playmates, role models, etc.

Also of note is that the "White mother–Black father pairs averaged 1 year more of education than the Black mother–White father pairs". This is supported by the study I cited in an earlier post showing that the black men who black women marry tend to have more education than the white men that black women marry. Since the more education a black man has, the more likely he is to marry white and other non-black women, black men who marry white women are probably on average more educated than black men who marry black women.

So before these ladies try to make their preferred interracial pairings out to be superior to those involving black men, they should really do their homework.

41 comments:

Truth B. Told said...

I posted on this a few months ago. If BW/WM combos are so ideal, then how come there aren't more of them? There are about 120,000 such marriages. There were 120,000 BM/WW marriages...in 1980. There are about 3x as many BM/WW marriages as their are BW/WM marriages.

Rashida said...

Interesting study and post.

It is sad that ANYONE would try to use the POTENTIAL IQs of POTENTIAL offspring to advocate interracial dating.

That is some serious Margaret Sanger type stuff.

And you are right, BW who marry white men tend to marry down in MANY areas including attractiveness, education and income. BW who marry BM tend to almost always marry equal or higher. I know the SSC tends to claim that BW in marriages to BM are "lowering" themselves because many BW work full after having children. There are a number of reasons for this but it usually is not the "fault" of the lazy ass black man making his wife work.

Just because a BW works full time that does not mean that her partner does not make as much money or more or that the partner is not as educated.

Most married BW I know are married to BM who make as much as they do or more and are MORE educated.

I only have a B.A. - my husband has a M.F.A.

Karen Via Fora said...

Black men usually marry down whenever they marry wwhite women.
Is there any black man married to a high class white woman? None at all.
Socialite Glora Vanderbilt who dated Bobby Short for years never married him. She knew he was beneath her. I think she must have been the only high class white woman who ever dated a black man.
Because high class non-black women don't go there near any of you.

But what would many of you know about these things?
You see the difference is that you black men believe that every white woman or non-black woman is " just fine".
This is what makes you prone to accept all the trashy non-black women out there.
There are tons of black women who are married to high class ,upper breed European men.
Let me give you a joke what my white female friends say about you:" Black men like fat white girls".
I just laugh, because I only date handsome white men.
Poor thing, anyone can give you a pig in a bag.
Rashida: Why are you lying to yourself?
I know educated black women who are married to security guards.

The "I only date and marry black men" syndrome has led to that.

You are going to be seeing a whole damn bunch of change now therefore, all you you can stand back, watch and gasp with jealousy.

And Rashida,are you really a black woman?
Because I really believe that you, Ms. Kitty and Raina are all black men pretending to be black women.

I cannot believe that black women could be this stupid to sit at their computers and interact friendly and agreeable with black mysogynists like Mr. Queens, Truth B. Told, Rocky and Menelik.
If you are really women, you need therapy in building self love, self esteem or just plain counseling of accepting yourself as a females. You three are the female versions of misogynists. You sound like men. And this is bloody scary.

Please do this, get help before you all ever have children, because it is women like you who produce the criminals, gangbangers,drug dealers,rapists,misogynists and the idiots who are rapping for a living deriding black women.

You also produce daughters who accept this garbage.

Truth B. Told said...

LOL, Karen with the same old tired BS.

Of course to bitter women like you, any non-Black women that gets with a Black man is automatically classified as "trash" no matter who she is. Too bad you are not intelligent enough to understand that you are insulting Black females like yourself when you mindlessly repeat this comment.

There are not tons of any kind of White man married to Black women, let alone high class white men.

I am sure after the White men you "date" cums in your face, they laugh behind your back with their buddies about the "chocolate bundt cake with icing" they made last night.

Karen Via Fora said...

Truth B.Told: I am really biracial. My mother is black and my father is white. But I consider myself black.

My skin is golden.My eyes are gray and my hair is brownish with strands of gold.
My mom is beautifully dark, she is Cuban. Daddy's skin is kind of pinkish, he is German/Italian.
Dad is wealthy.
My mom met my father in college.They are happily married.

The white guys I date are not foolish and vulgar.I don't date black men or dark skinned men.

You are just jealous.

Rashida said...

Oh boy, here we go:

Is there any black man married to a high class white woman? None at all.

You obviously don't like black men so why do you care what type of women they date? And what classifies as a "high class" woman? Most men marry down in class anyway because it is customary for a woman to look "up"to her husband. So what are you even talking about? And how many NON PUBLIC high class non black women do you know? Celebrities are not the only people in this world and MOST of them are NOT "high class". They are NEWLY RICH.

You see the difference is that you black men believe that every white woman or non-black woman is " just fine".

NO, YOU INSECURE BLACK WOMEN BELIEVE THAT. It is YOU insecure black women who elevate any non black woman to a higher status. It is YOU who puts YOUR INSECURITIES onto black men. It is YOU who look in the mirror and see someone inferior to a white, asian or latino woman. The self-hatred and insecurity MANY black women suffer from oozes out of your pores. You can't even deny it. YOU THINK THEY ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN YOU.

Rashida: Why are you lying to yourself?
I know educated black women who are married to security guards.


LOL YEAH RIGHT. Most professional black women are too worried about what her girlfriends and co-workers are going to think to do something like that. She'll sleep with the security guard on the low and lie to everyone. Or maybe this "educated" woman went to college for two years and dropped out or only has an associates degree. That's the problem with people like you, a black woman only has to step foot on a college campus one day and she is "educated" but if a black man doesn't have a degree he is worthless. SMH.

Less than 20% of black women have actual DEGREES so stop perpetuating this myth that all black women are running around with three degrees making six figures. Everybody knows that is not the case so why do some black women insist on pretending that MOST black women are educated and therefore MOST black women deserve college-educated husbands.

You are going to be seeing a whole damn bunch of change now therefore, all you you can stand back, watch and gasp with jealousy.

Who are you talking to? No one is jealous of a bunch of desparate black women chasing around old, divorced white men. Any movement that advocates women go out and hunt down men is ANTITHETICAL to nature, honey. And who is supposed to be jealous? Black men? Black women with black husbands? White women? LOL.

If you are really women, you need therapy in building self love, self esteem or just plain counseling of accepting yourself as a females. You three are the female versions of misogynists. You sound like men. And this is bloody scary.

This is funny coming from someone who advocates black women date the most misogynistic group of men on the planet. There is a reason why white women ran to feminism and non white men. Just y'all wait and see. That is if you can actually get them to pay attention to you.


Please do this, get help before you all ever have children, because it is women like you who produce the criminals, gangbangers,drug dealers,rapists,misogynists and the idiots who are rapping for a living deriding black women.


No, it is irresponsible women who blame everyone else for their fucked up lives that produce those men. And the seeds of irresponsibility begin with the exact thinking you have outlined in this comment box.

Karen Via Fora said...

Rashida, you are really a black man. I always knew that.

Everyone, Yoo hoo:
Rashida is a black man.

Black men with these misogysnistic blogs have to make up black women to converse with and affirm what they say.

I am biracial and I do not date black men.
I was in the Alps last winter with some of my friends.

What kind o black man have that type of funds and prestige to take me to the Swiss Alps?

Black men cannot even find Switzerland on the map?

Truth B.Told said:
" I am sure after the white men date "cums" in your face, they laugh behind your back with their buddies about "the chocolate bundt cake with icing "they made last night".
You dark skinned men hate dark skinned women that bad?
I am a beautifully golden woman who loves white men.

I guess uou are more angry because your hatred is toward dark skinned women only.

Automatically, you thought I was dark skinned.
No I am golden complexioned. The type you dark, dark skinned men like. The only thing is that this one does not like you.

Mommy told me to sat far away from dark skinned men.
Poor thing, I hope you are not commenting from a state penitentiary.

And Rashida, stop pretending to be a black woman,if you a are not a gay black man. Pleeeease.

Rocky said...

Karen, I bet you believe that the blogger "Harry Potter" is actually a white man.

Rocky said...

My skin is golden.My eyes are gray and my hair is brownish with strands of gold.

And exactly why should we believe this?

Truth B. Told said...

Automatically, you thought I was dark skinned.
No I am golden complexioned. The type you dark, dark skinned men like. The only thing is that this one does not like you.


I actually did not assume anything. To the white men you "date" (and when he and his friends laugh behind your back) you are just as Black as any Black woman. Make no mistake, you are "the Black girl" among their circle of friends and aquaintances.

You automatically thought you knew what I was trying to say when you don't.

You said date, so it sounds like you are still single. How many of them will actually marry you?

The white guys I date are not foolish and vulgar.

At least not to your face.

What kind o black man have that type of funds and prestige to take me to the Swiss Alps?

I have the funds, but I wouldn't take you for a cup of Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate at the corner store let alone Switzerland.

I don't date black men or dark skinned men.

And the world moves on. We have lived this long without you. We think we can make it the rest of the way.

Truth B. Told said...

Rashida, you are really a black man. I always knew that.

Everyone, Yoo hoo:
Rashida is a black man
.

Isn't this a bit sexist and self-hating? Why do you think anyone who makes a clear and logical argument can't possibly be a Black woman?

Karen Via Fora said...

Rocky:
Let me guess, you cannot believe that a golden complexioned biracial woman do not like black men.
In the Caribbean, Haiti and in many other places biracial and mixed womenn would never be caught dead with a dark skinned man.
Only in the United States because of the one drop rule you find biracial women lowering their stndards by being with black men.
My mom is Cuban, she never lived among any of you.
Truth B. Told: You are one of the sickest perosn on this blog. You hate women. I believe you are Rashida.
As for Ms. Kitty, I think, that person is Laurelton Queens.

And Raina could be Rocky. Once she commented as a man on a blog by saying that a woman was "wickedly beautiful". Women do not speak like that.
What you do not understand is that straight women don't make certain statements.

Truth B. Told: I do not know what they have done to you. You will not be able to find a white woman either because they will be able to see you for what you really are, a misogynist.
Rashida's statements are from an ignorant and hateful black man.

Truth B. Told said...

Truth B. Told: You are one of the sickest perosn on this blog. You hate women. I believe you are Rashida.

No way, I barely have enough time
(or sometimes interest) to do my own blog, let alone two. And I don't hate women, I hate dishonest people whether they are men or women.

Truth B. Told: I do not know what they have done to you. You will not be able to find a white woman either because they will be able to see you for what you really are, a misogynist.

I do well for myself, mostly because I don't look for race or skin colors, I look for real women.

Rocky said...

Rocky:
Let me guess, you cannot believe that a golden complexioned biracial woman do not like black men.


Let me guess. You cannot believe that a woman like Rashida can have such an opinion.

In the Caribbean, Haiti and in many other places biracial and mixed womenn would never be caught dead with a dark skinned man.

Likewise in the Caribbean, Haiti and in many other places, biracial and mixed men would never be caught dead with a dark skinned woman.

Only in the United States because of the one drop rule you find biracial women lowering their stndards by being with black men.

I guess in that case, in the United States because of the one drop rule you find biracial men lowering their standards by being with black women. I guess that President Obama lowered his standards.

My mom is Cuban, she never lived among any of you.

Your mom is probably darker than me.

Karen Via Fora said...

"Your mom is probably darker than me"
There goes your hatred against dark skinned women again.Your tirade is always against dark skinned women.
It does not matter if my mom is darker than you or not. She is beautiful.
Have you seen Cuban women, especially the black ones? They are beautiful.
What matters here is my mother married a rich white man, had me and tells me to stay away from the likes of many of you.

I can do much better than you. It is called having standards.

I just love to catch all of you black men. I caught Truth B. Told and now it is your time.

If the black race depends on you, poor black people.

I believe Michelle Obama is the smart one here. She is the First Lady and she is in the White House. She is as smart as my mom.

And Barack Obama is biracial. A biracial man is not as predictable as a black man.
I am only referring to biracial women lowering their standards when they marry black men because white men are far more advanced than black men.

Did you really believe Americans would have elected a 100% black man? Stop dreaming.

I know how all of you black men think. You have very low self esteems and you are always waiting around the corner for women who look like me because you think we make you look good. But not this one.

I vacation in Switzerland all the time. Most of you cannot locate Switzerland on a map.

Rashida, Ms Kitty and Raina are the females you all created to converse with back and forth to keep your blog running. What a shame!
Your site is not even good enough to attract black men and women who frequent the blogosphere.

Beautifully.Conjured.Up said...

Currently, I'm unable to speak about the totality of the research since I'm unable to pull up the link. However, from just reading the data, I would say this experiment is probably heavily biased with a low validity and reliability score.

Since IQ is the main way of testing intelligence, it's dependence shouldn't be based upon race, for race is nothing more than a genetic epression via genotypes and phenotypes. IQ is a mental capability that is still based upon (arguably) nature vs. nurture. Maybe if the study found a link between genetics and IQ scores (which is still being debated and researched), then this study might have something major to be told.

Above all, I find it ridiculous that people in this society are still attempting to validate the superiority of one race over another via race. It's as if I'm sitting in a lab just wating for someone to perform a craniometry on me to make an attempt to use my ethnicity as a way to validate any mental "flaws."

If I may make a suggestion, please read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Dr. Stephen Jay Gould.

Rocky said...

Actually, the first study (that linked worked for me), seems to dispute the genetic notion and leans toward environment. Look this excerpt, especially the parts in bold:

"But if one assumes that mothers are particularly important
to the intellectual socialization of their children and if the socialization practices
of Whites are more favorable to IQ development than those of Black mothers, then children of White mothers and Black fathers should have higher IQs than children of Black mothers and White fathers. This could of course NOT have a plausible genetic explanation. In fact, it emerges that children of White mothers and Black fathers have IQs 9 points higher than children with Black mothers and White fathers (Willerman, Naylor, & Myrianthopoulos, 1974). This result in itself suggests that most of the Black–White IQ gap is ENVIRONMENTAL in origin."


So basically, what it is saying is that half black children with white mothers should be no different racially/genetically than a half black child with a white father. So the higher IQs for the biracial kids with white mothers must be environmental.

Rocky said...

Anonymous Karen Via Fora said...


There goes your hatred against dark skinned women again.Your tirade is always against dark skinned women.

The only tirade is your tirade against dark skinned men.

It does not matter if my mom is darker than you or not. She is beautiful.

You're the one talking about how ugly dark skinned people are.

Have you seen Cuban women, especially the black ones? They are beautiful.

I thought you said that black people are ugly.

What matters here is my mother married a rich white man, had me and tells me to stay away from the likes of many of you.

So your father lowered his standards to be with your mother?

I can do much better than you. It is called having standards.

But according to you, since you I am light skinned, I am high standard.

I just love to catch all of you black men. I caught Truth B. Told and now it is your time.

So you are chasing us? You are pretty aggressive in pursuing the brothers huh?

If the black race depends on you, poor black people.

But I'm light skinned. You said that made me high class.

I believe Michelle Obama is the smart one here. She is the First Lady and she is in the White House. She is as smart as my mom.

Your mom is a first lady?

And Barack Obama is biracial. A biracial man is not as predictable as a black man.

Obama is darker than me.

I am only referring to biracial women lowering their standards when they marry black men because white men are far more advanced than black men.

So that would mean that white women are far more advanced that black women right?

Did you really believe Americans would have elected a 100% black man? Stop dreaming.

Seems they didn't elect a 100% black woman or any percent black woman (most blacks in America are not 100%).

I know how all of you black men think. You have very low self esteems and you are always waiting around the corner for women who look like me because you think we make you look good. But not this one.

I can agree that you probably don't make men look good when they are with you.

I vacation in Switzerland all the time. Most of you cannot locate Switzerland on a map.

I visited Mars. Can you beat that?

Rashida, Ms Kitty and Raina are the females you all created to converse with back and forth to keep your blog running. What a shame!

You are a black woman pretending to be mixed. What a shame.

Your site is not even good enough to attract black men and women who frequent the blogosphere.

Where is your blog?

Karen Via Fora said...

I doubt if you are lighter than Now you are light sskinned.LOL

Who told you I want a brother?
Stop dreaming.I only date white men.
I am only posting here because the topic is about biracials.

Where have I said that dark skinned people are ugly? What a fool.I think that is your opinion.

Didn't I not say that my mother is dark skinned and beautiful. Are you not able to comprehend ?

As I have stated before in the Caribbean, mixed women do not date black men or dark skinned men.
Why did that bother you?

Since when are white women on the same level with white men? Stop dreaming.

Now you are preteending to be light skinned , mixed or even and biracial.
Rocky, Stop dreaming.


I can see that you have never been anywhere.I bet you have never encountered many Caribbeans and black Cubans.

Marianne Pearl, the woman whose husband, an American journalist was killed by a terrorist and Angelina portrayed her in a movie is the daughter of a European and a black Cuban woman.

There are many of us out there.

I am off to Milan.

Ciao.

Rashida said...

Rocky,

I have encountered MANY BW on the internet who lie about not being black. You will find the same syndrome amongst BW in real life. They are always mixed with something or people tell them they look spanish or blah blah blah.

I rarely hear black men trying to ride on the coattails of their great, great, great granddaddy's Indian bride. But black women will be quick to claim something other than blackness.

Yet they swear up and down only black men hate themselves.

SMH.

Anonymous said...

I am Asian.

As a nation, we have not outgrown colorism. White racism often eclipses the scientific reality that melanin is important in sun protection and cell repair.

Intelligence is difficult to measure. The racist Dr. James Watson declared that blacks are less intelligent, but DNA testing ironically showed that Dr. Watson had some African genes.

Non-white people should celebrate their struggle for equality in the face of racism. All non-white people have been regarded as second class citizens because of higher concentrations of pigmentation in our skin and hair.

It would become increasing difficult for very pale people to survive on Earth, a planet that continues to be depleted of ozone which filters some of the sun's harmful rays. Humans need melanin.

The demonization of non-white people has become ingrained into our psyche. The third world - Africa, Asia, South America, etc. - represents poverty, oppression, loss of status, and loss of rights. Non-whites seek to marry themselves with whiteness, if only by association. It's sad to see people worshiping at the whitewashed altars because, quite frankly, there isn't much shade there. The sun burns.

Children of the future need to see more color and the value of the third world. I watched a village prepare an unusual vegetable. This knowledge and wisdom is something that industrialized food corporations greedily seek out. Every so often, you hear about another "exotic" plant that whites learned about from the third world. The third world and people of color have traditional knowledge that cannot be dismissed.

I've posted before. Rocky definitely knows how to tackle race issues.

Anonymous said...

There are 4 stages of cultural awareness for minority and majority group members:
http://www.lhup.edu/diversity/studentlife/minority.html

Karen is at the pre-encounter stage (stage 1) in which she seeks assimilation from majority members, accepts stereotypes about minority groups, and depends on and emulates the majority group.

Karen's white friends are at the encounter stage (stage 1) in which they grant Karen a white pass and disassociate her from "those other minority members." These whites do not see her as "black" but as a member socialized as white.

White men have historically raped black female slaves. To declare one race as superior mates, especially one that continually raped black women, is to deny the legacy of abuse. Discussing modern statistics does not make the past vanish. Anti-miscegenation was outlawed only a number of decades ago.

The ideal couple pairing would involve mates who passed all 4 stages of cultural awareness, fully integrated and aware.

Beautifully.Conjured.Up said...

OK...it's environmental...however, the application of this study to your post is trying to imply race has a link to intelligence. If it is environmental, what are the environmental conditions? From what random pool were these women taken from (and men)? How were the children selected, and validity does it hold? Was it a double-blinded research? Without information like this, it makes me believe it's bias and trying to imply there is a learning gap among the union of BW/WM. Seriously, I can't help but to wonder where the motive is coming from.

Mr Laurelton Queens said...

Let me reply to this whole thing.

Somebody said me and Ms Kitty are the same person. I got to much things to do then to reply back to myself.

This whole IQ back and forth thing. From my experience growing up. Some of the smartest guys I know were drug dealers, thugs and pimps. One particular guy I grew up with was on the honor roll of school but struck FEAR into people in the neighborhood.

Eventually he dropped out to pursue he drug dealing career in the 90s. He ended up murdering someone with a sword.

I use to hear the argument that white have higher IQS than blacks. Is that so, so tell me why you have whites in poverty or in prison. I look at the individual.

You don't have to be a genius to finish high school or college. Now is the chances better for your child to attend a private school or public school to get ahead in life. Absolutely if you ask me.

It is the environment that has the most affect on children learning. If you live in the housing projects and your mother is single mom. The people around you are not finishing school. What are the chances that child will get ahead in life.

The same thing with poor whites in Appalachia. They have bad teeth from drinking Mountain dew and they end working in coal mines. I saw the documentary on it.

My theory on why some biracial children do well is simple. It seems to me the dads are active in their child's lives. My father's friend George (white married to a black woman). He was active in his the kids live. Very strict.

Any child black or white without a father tends to struggle.

Unless the child is developmentally disabled who cares if the child's IQ is not a 'genius'IQ. As long as you point that child in the right direction in life you did the best you could as a parent.

My grandmother on my father's side couldn't read or write. My father's step father couldn't read or write. But they impressed to him to work hard and get ahead. A high IQ doesn't make you ambitious or motivated. Some of the smartest guys are on Wall Street heading to prison because they "thought they were so smart".

You can have a high IQ and no god damn common sense. Children in this day and age should have "survival skills" not just 'academic skills".

What happens when you lose everything? Are you going to kill yourself?

People focus on the petty stuff instead of the BIG PICTURE.

Lastly, I am not a misogynist. Look up that definition before you throw that word around.

Thank you

Mr Laurelton Queens said...

Oh yea

This thing about Caribbean women do not date dark skin men.

I am a dark skin man. You are full of shit.

Women are individuals EVERYWHERE. A dark skin black man could go to Japan and get a woman.

So stop lying to people on here about what women don't date dark skin men.

Since I have been to Jamaica and other Island. I see the exact opposite.

I once went into a West Indian shop this chubby dark skin guy. He looked like Marcus Garvy. These women was flirting with him hard.

I guess people dislike you so much they make shit up.

I don't know why that is.

Black men on a whole date full figured women more than any other race of men.

So how the hell can you say they don't date dark skin men.

See they are going to call me a misogynist if I point out how many of them I dated.

If it makes her feel good at night that dark skin men get no women. let her sleep.

LennieG said...

Terrific blog. Keep doing your thing, brother.

Tiffany,Ebony Intuition said...

Interesting post, I have noticed that on IR blogs that they will say that children from BW/WM couples will "do better" than BM/WW couples.

Anonymous said...

Critical thinking is necessary.Look at the date of that study you used 1974, back in those days biracial children with black mothers were pretty much regulated to the black community living in the same social structure as black children. When a WW is raising biracial children ,that child usually ends up in her white social structure, that has better schools and more opportunities for connections and advancement. Obama's grandmother who worked at a bank was able to get him into the best private school in Hawaii, would he have had the same opportunity growing up with a black grandmother in the south? Strongly doubt it.

Anonymous said...

People need to grow up making this about race and colorism. Bottom line GET YOUR KIDS OUT OF THE GHETTO. Whether they have 2 black parents or 1 they will be a lot better off.
Instead of all the BM vs BW we really need to study the psychology of black folks

Rocky said...

Anon

While you may feel that critical thinking is necessary, very little critical thinking is used when the other side references statistics that show black men less favorably. So I am playing by their rules.

Also, your premise is flawed.

Look at the date of that study you used 1974, back in those days biracial children with black mothers were pretty much regulated to the black community living in the same social structure as black children.

And how do you conclude this? Back in 1974, a white man/black woman pairing would have been far more acceptable in the white community than a black man/white woman pairing. Women, especially back then, were far more likely to follow their husbands, thus black women in interracial relationships tended more so to live in white communities. On the other hand, black men with white wives tended to bring their wives to their communities.

So in truth, those biracial children raised by black mothers tended to live in white communities.

Anonymous said...

@ Karen
Boy another hating black women.
Its funny because black women are not known as world travelers. Because of the military black men from America have been traveling around the world for a long time.

Plus there are many black men who have the funds to travel overseas.
So your statement shows me you have probably never traveled outside the hood.

Anonymous said...

This is so ignorant. Studies show that wealthier and better educated black men are more likely to date white women. Educated parents usually equals smarter children. Marrying a white woman, any white woman is not going to magically make your children smarter. LMAO

Lion-ess said...

these posts and comments are really enlightening me. I've only been blogging the past 9 months and I'm new to black conscious and IR blogs this past 2 weeks. Such a huge eye opening... reading the variou extreme in thoughts.

No race is superior than the other! No children are superior.. Everything comes down to parenting and opportunity. I'm finding this all very interesting. It's great to get the various sides and the generalising ongoing from both bw and bm perspectives, especially being Caribbean and living in Europe.

Lion-ess said...

I can say with my hand on my heart that there are some bitter bw out there who believes in status and looking down on the bm.

If you date out, there's no need to try and destroy that bm.

Same goes to some bm.

At the end of the day, we all have to live our lives. Stop the hating and the generalising.

One Love!

Lion-ess said...

That's a lie... Caribbean women do date dark skin men...
Who is she to talk? Is she Caribbean?

Plus.. you cannot generalise one caribbean island to mean the whole. We are a melting pot of races and Thank God the Caribbean Island I grew up in didn't have this slavery/light is better mentality.

We appreciate all skin tone and hair types... we are a melting pot of races and we uplift our men!

Anonymous said...

This whole blog is both racist, stupid, and sad. Its sad to see self hating black people justify their hatred towards each other. In regards to the essay on the IQ's of biracial children, why do we keep passing on the lie and stereotype that white people are naturally smarter or superior to blacks? It's not true and blacks shouldn't be affirming these misconceptions with such foolish arguments. Do you all believe that you as black men and women are naturally stupider than whites? I don't. In fact I went to a racially mixed high school (40% white, 20% black 20%
Hispanic, 20% other) and excelled higher academically than many of my white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts. I had a white friend two of my biracial friends (white mother black father and black mother white father) constantly asking me for help on their homework. In fact I noticed that many of the highest achieving students at my school were the African and Jamaican exchange students who were raised in families that valued education. IQ scores are not determined by race but by the individual's values and exposure to education. Whites are more exposed to it than blacks which explains why they do better than blacks (I also heard that IQ tests were biased toward anglo culture anyway). However, when blacks are exposed to the same thing, they can do, and have done, just as well as any other race on those tests. So instead of discussing whether being with a white man or white woman will produce a smarter child why not discuss whether being with another African American and exposing them to the same educational resources as whites will producer a child who is just as capable and intelligent as anyone else. Its not the race of the partner, but the exposure of the child to higher education that produces a better academically equipped child. Also, in the case of Obama, A fully black man would have been just as capable of running the country as he is, however, his biracial heritage makes him more acceptable and less threatening to white voters. Besides, looking back on the presidency of George Bush, we should all know better than to assume that the most intelligent candidate is always the one chosen. Whoever you choose to date is fine, but if you think for one second that you are marrying up in any way for dating white, you are highly mistaken. I have a degree and I've been in intellectual circles where I've seen both black men and women so a lack of education is not a real good excuse for not dating them. You guys just choose to be in the companies of whites and telling by your hate speech towards blacks, I can see why.

Anonymous said...

What about children of foreign born African parents? Foreign African immigrants tend to achieve advanced degrees and so do their children.

Anonymous said...

This article just makes me sad. Not because of the supposed outcome of supposed research, but the fact that someone even did the research and that a black person posted it. I don't care who dates who, but it should be a great concern to anyone when someone illudes that race is related to IQ. Did the research address the issue of poverty? Or if the mothers themselves were raised by single parents? Even if this was a legitimate research, isn't it fair to say that a white woman would have a better ability to survive in a world that is primarily dominated by whites. I assume this same reason why so many black males are in prison, not because black men are innately prone to violence and crime. The issue of IQ and how it is tested is still an argument in and of itself. However, the most foolish part of this is how many men are agreeing. Most black people are raised by black mothers. Do you really believe your IQ is lower than your white counterparts? I suppose reading the posts most people might agree. This article, these post take self hate to a whole new level. Are there any people left who aren't jumping on the white is always better train? Is this what has become of MLK's dream. Is this what our parents and grandparents marched for? I am always surprised to hear so many black men perpetuating stereotypes. Especially, since most are one bad police stop away from prison. I have dealt with a tremendous amount of racism in my life growing up in the South. Sadly, more and more of that racism has been from other blacks. We don't need whites to put us down, we continue to perpetuate racists ideas toward each other. What's more, I have yet to find a post where black men discuss black women and it isn't racist. I assure you, most people don't care if you want to deal with others, we just wish you would go quietly. Racism is racism no matter who it is coming from. I am just going to assume that the decent non hateful brothers are to busy living responsibly to waste their time on such ignorance, if these posts are even made by black people. Between the media and the internet, I think its becoming apparent where the next racial mountain we will have to climb will come from. One generation away from the civil rights movement and already so haughty. Shameful. I hope the next generation will handle themselves better.

Anonymous said...

I think people are trying to be so divisive that they miss the whole point of this study...in 2012, anyone who is posting this racist study that has been proven FALSE time and time again is being just that--divisive...

It is not about "mixed" kids...this was an unfair, unjust sad and pathetic attempt at discrediting monoracial black kids--to make them and the black/black couples raising them feel inferior.

princessamanra said...

I think you all need to stop calling the Caribbean people in your business. I am a trinidadian black woman who is here to tell you all that you are wrong. In the Caribbean ALOT of white women date dark-dark-dark-dark skinned men. Alot of mixed women/men (african-indian, chinese-african etc) have black boyfriends, in fact they prefer black men. Most if not all black people here are biracial including me. Your study is based in the US and does not determine the entire world for everything you are saying here does not hold true for my country. You need to do more research and stop being ignorant. You all sound racist in my opinion. In my country i an considered "light skinned" or "light brown" and i love men of ALL RACES! The only kind of man or people in general i truly dislike are racists and misogynists. You see i ended up on this page because i am researching and reading and trying to gain knowledge not just stating. All white people are racists (which i was told) or all black men love white women! I know alot who do and i know alot who don't. Even you "black men" seem to hate your own selves and want to "be white" so u date white women. There are plenty intelligent black women here and they range from darkest night to lightest day!

pinkandwhitejays said...

I'm 15 and white. I came across this by googling "Iq of Bi-Racial children" because some guy on Youtube was making racist claims. All I want to say is, you guys are all weirdos! Especially Karen, you can tell she is really insecure. You can also tell she is probably lying about her looks because not many people describe themselves as "beautifully golden brown." Also, I'm not ugly or low class. I live in Orange County and my BF is black. He actually has a bigger house than me and lives closer to the beach. Not all black people are poor :/ people need to get out more.