Wednesday, April 1, 2009

The Intimate Homicide Fallacy

With the recent multiple stabbing death of Chiquita Tate, the Something Screwed Crew and other self proclaimed "Black Woman Empowerment Bloggers" have a new tool in their efforts to pin an exaggerated and hypocritical image on black men. They use each incident as 'evidence' of the alleged thousands of black women "slaughtered" by black men each year. Of course, we know that they have no real concern over Ms. Tate. If you go over to the What About Our Daughters blog, you will notice that they spend a small amount of time giving any semblance of grief over this young woman's death and a large amount of time doing what they do so well; bashing black men.

If we actually take a view of the national statistics concerning intimate homicide, you will notice that in 2005, 337 black women were killed by intimate partners. While 337 violent deaths is nothing to shrug your shoulders at, it is a far cry from the alleged "thousands" claimed by these dishonest women. With around 14 million black Women in America over the age of 18, the chances of a black woman being killed by an intimate is around 1 in 41,543 annually. So when they talk about how dating is such a life risking activity, they clearly have no idea of the numbers.

Also, lets look at the enormous hypocrisy of their assertions. In 2005, while 337 black women were killed by intimates, 138 black men were killed by intimates. This means that 2.4 times as many black women are killed by intimates than black men killed by intimates.

In that same year, 789 white women were killed by intimates while 183 white men were killed by intimates. Based on stats, black women were killed by intimates at a rate 2.6 times greater than white women. But black men were killed by intimates at a rate 4.5 times greater than white men. Put another way, 4.3 times more white women were killed by intimates than white men, while 2.4 times more black women were killed by intimates than black men.

So what does this have to say about the RELATIVE rates of intimate homicide for black women compared to black men? More women of all races are killed by intimates than men. In the case of black Americans, black women are significantly more deadly toward intimates compared to white women than black men are compared to white men.

ADDENDUM: It is interesting to note that from 1976 to 1989, the number of black men killed by intimates exceeded the number of black women killed by intimates each year save for three. Seemingly, no other racial or ethnic group in America, besides blacks, has ever had a single year whereas more men were killed by intimate partners than women.

30 comments:

lormarie said...

I bet many of the killings of black men by black women were self defense. How many black men were killed by black men? Now matter how you spin it, black men commit the most crimes and violent acts in this country (percentages). They are even a danger to each other. There are loads of crimes by black men against white women. It took me a long time to admit that.

You appear to be typical of most black men...blame everyone else or shift the negative focus off of yourselves onto others. Thus, you are still generally viewed by nonblacks as dangerous or prone to violence.

One thing I admire about bw empowerment is that we admit to our shortcomings as black women.

like it or not, bw will fight you and other black misogynists. We will continue to lash out against black misogyny. Whoever doesn't like it, tough shit.

Rocky said...

lormarie said...

I bet many of the killings of black men by black women were self defense.


I bet many of the killings of white men by white women were self defense. You have not countered the point of the RELATIVE deadly violence against intimates.

And studies have proven that most killings of men by women are not self defense.

How many black men were killed by black men?

And that is related to the point how? Can anyone say "straw man"?

Now matter how you spin it, black men commit the most crimes and violent acts in this country (percentages).

And no matter how YOU spin it, black women commit the most crimes and violent acts by women in this country.

They are even a danger to each other. There are loads of crimes by black men against white women. It took me a long time to admit that.

Being that you hate black men so much, why are you concerned with them being a danger to each other? Why would you care about white women? Why are you injecting this straw man argument? Can't deal with the facts of the topic?

You appear to be typical of most black men...blame everyone else or shift the negative focus off of yourselves onto others. Thus, you are still generally viewed by nonblacks as dangerous or prone to violence.

The comical part of your statement is that you cannot cite any statement of blame for anything. "Blame" is not even a part of the subject matter. The post discusses ACCURACY. Try practicing it some day.

And you are still viewed by non-blacks as "loud, aggressive, argumentative, stubborn, and bitchy".

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_n1-2_v28/ai_13810695/pg_4/?tag=content;col1

One thing I admire about bw empowerment is that we admit to our shortcomings as black women.

That's a hell of a lie. Women like you won't take fault for sh*t.

like it or not, bw will fight you and other black misogynists. We will continue to lash out against black misogyny. Whoever doesn't like it, tough shit.

You mean a few damaged black women (mostly single) like yourself will lash out at imagined black misogyny without comprehending their own black misandry. Like it or not, bm will fight you and other black misandrists. If you don't like it, you know what you can do.

Anonymous said...

rocky, i hope you know sara, yes sara the ir blogger has a GREAT entry going on her blog, why don't you ever talk about stuff like that...

RainaHavock said...

I can't wait for the forum I'm helping to set and organize on campus talking about topics like these and others. I was telling my fellow classmates about the things going on in both arguments and everyone couldn't believe that this was actually happening. Now this is a group of college students mostly black with one white guy at an HBCU and they were stunned about it. So now one of the topics will be about racial feminism. I'm sorry Lormarie but you know alot of you do not take fault for what you have done and do put blame on others. Then when someone like me comes along and calls you out they jump down my throat. It's like I said in a post on my blog. People need to stop point the finger and take the damn responsibility for their actions.

Rocky said...

rocky, i hope you know sara, yes sara the ir blogger has a GREAT entry going on her blog, why don't you ever talk about stuff like that...

Beyond what I view as flaws in that post, the irony makes the whole post laughable. This a leader of the idea that black women should "run from the black community" (how can they run from something is comprised mostly of them), discussing how black people should stick together.

Of course when I pointed that out to her, she couldn't handle it and censored my post out.

Anonymous said...

Rocky, some one said this before and I'll say it again. Sara obviously still wants a black man. She obviously has been hurt by a black man and that's why she's so bitter. But, I can tell you, I know she still cares about bp, so I'll give her that. You just seem bitter and jealous of bw being with wm overall. - teenie

Anonymous said...

you could really be doing something more productive with this blog, instead all you do is bash black women when the majority of bw actually want bm. - teenie

Anonymous said...

@ LorMarie,


For the third time my question to you was: are you quite sure you have no issue with your father and that you have never gone against your blogging policy of speaking of him or other personal matters?

Think very carefully now!

Menelik Charles
London

Anonymous said...

@Teenie,

it appears as though a significant number of Black women have finer feelings than the majority of the world's population. I say this only because I really cannot figure out how or where Rocky is "bashing Black women".

Please give quoted example of him doing so...and of at least a single quote indicating envy of Black women with white partners.

You have nothing to fear, Teenie, I'm sure you are not talking off of the top of your head...you can back up your assertion with evidence, surely!

Menelik Charles
London

ps why is anything more "productive" than defending one self and one's people against "lies and distortions"?

tasha212 said...

Intimate partner violence is one of the leading causes of black women with a certain age group. Pregnant black women between the ages of 15-24 are seven times more likely to be murdered than their white counterparts, by their children's fathers. These are the facts, undeniably. I think a forum like What About Our Daughters? is needed because cases featuring black women and girls are rarely discussed anywhere else. I didn't read anything in her post that was bashing black men. She only stated the facts of the case.

Rocky said...

tasha212.

Did you read all of the comments on her blog?

And just to put things in perspective, on average, roughly 80 pregnant women are murdered each year in the U.S. If black women comprise half of the numbers, that would mean that around 40 pregnant black women are murdered each year.

Each of these deaths are tragic, yet being that at any given time, there are probably at least a million black women who are pregnant, I would say that being murdered is low on their list of worries.

Anonymous said...

"In the case of black Americans, black women are significantly more deadly toward intimates compared to white women than black men are compared to white men. "

Menelik, this is bashing. Using manipulated statistics to paint bw as abusive partners is bashing thank you very much. Secondly, if he wanted to defend the image of black men he ought to make a blog about black fathers raising their children. How about calling it black fathers striving for change or something. That would be defending his image. Because no one really gives a shit about some little interracial bloggers who, what people do care about is the image of black men overall. The image unfortunately is that black men don't care for their children and families, not saying its true. But if he really cared about defending the bm image, he should start with THAT stereotype instead of belitting bw overall because of a few stupid interracial bloggers.

Anonymous said...

its just stupid to argue with sara and evia when they obviously have been hurt and there is nothing you can do, but prove them wrong by setting a good example for other black men. do you honestly think making little blogs like this is helping the black male image?? Give me a f*cking break. Sara, Evia and most of them still want a bm or else they wouldn't obsess over how much they "don't like," black men. Its the same thing with srgtwilliepete and the likes, i don't waste my time making blogs/videos about them because I know its pointless. Instead I do what I need to do to set a good example. But, I for one am getting sick and tired of these childish games being played in the black community between black men and women, i'm sick of it. Grow up, live and let go. Stop bashing eachother, stop encouraging a war between the two groups and grow up. do something productive. - teenie, the last post was mine too.

Anonymous said...

Menelik wrote:

@Teenie,

it appears as though a significant number of Black women have finer feelings than the majority of the world's population. I say this only because I really cannot figure out how or where Rocky is "bashing Black women".

Please give quoted example of him doing so...and of at least a single quote indicating envy of Black women with white partners.

You have nothing to fear, Teenie, I'm sure you are not talking off of the top of your head...you can back up your assertion with evidence, surely!

Anon wrote:

...if he wanted to defend the image of black men he ought to make a blog about black fathers raising their children... That would be defending his image.

...no one really gives a shit about some little interracial bloggers...what people...care about is the image of black men overall..."

Menelik says:

look, anon, you have barely responded to my post at all! Simply saying:

"using manipulated statistics to paint bw as abusive partners is bashing thank you very much".

Is hardly providing the evidence of "bashing" I have asked for, is it now? Just provide concrete evidence and we'll all go home happy, yes?

I figure, however, that if you do provide any that it will consist of statistics...and your, shall we say, 'creative' interpretation of them.

You see, LorMarie interprets them one way (always against Black men) while Rocky (thankfully) interprets them another to show how futile (and racist)it is for women like LorMarie to use such 'evidence' to "bash" Black men

Oh, and as for Rocky not appropriately defending the Black male image. What are you talking about, "Anon"? Do you realise how widespread are the attacks on Black men by IR bloggers?

These "strong, beautiful, fiesty and feminine" Black women come at Black men from all angles...and use all possible stereotypes about Black men!

Where in Heaven's name have you been...or are you 'creatively re-interpreting what they write?

As far as I'm concerned, Rocky is absolutely defending my image as a concerned Black man who has been part of the "struggle" for Black uplift since I was sixteen-year old!

Menelik Charles
London

tasha212 said...

Yes, I read all of the comments to that post. I guess what you're referring to is some commenters' opinions that black women should divest from the black community and from black men in particular. That is the proposed solution to the rising homicide rate. What is your solution? The blog host wrote a comment disagreeing with these sentiments.

Rocky said...

That is the proposed solution to the rising homicide rate. What is your solution?

Do you mean the declining homicide rate? You do know that the number of black women killed by intimates is less than half of what is was in 1976 and has remained below all annual levels between 1976 and 1998? The number of white women killed by white men has changed very little from 1976.

Also, divesting from the black community is not a solution. It's a rant.

Menelik, this is bashing. Using manipulated statistics to paint bw as abusive partners is bashing thank you very much.

I would be interested in knowing what makes the statistics manipulated? And how am I painting black women as abusive partners? 138 black men killed by their partners nationally wouldn't result in most black men being fearful of being killed by their wives and girlfriends. Same for the reverse.

Understand that I am responding to those who actually manipulate statistics for the purpose of trying to make black men out to be animals. You hear statements such as:

"Black women are killed by intimates at nearly 3 times the rate white women are. We must escape because we are being slaughtered."

This is the type of thing we repeatedly hear. Thus since black men are killed by intimates at nearly 5 times the rate of white men, can I make the same claim about black men being slaughtered and needing to escape?

As Tasha says about Gina, I am only stating the facts. For instance, it is interesting to point out that from 1976 to 1989, the number of black men killed by intimates exceeded the number of black women killed by intimates each year save for three. No other racial or ethnic group in America, besides blacks, has ever had a single year whereas more men were killed by intimate partners than women.

Anonymous said...

Menelik Charles, you're an idiot. clearly my post was lost on you. - teenie

Anonymous said...

black women have enough problems to deal with, without stupid bitch-made boys like menelik making things harder. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090401224916AAtJG1B
Apparently, black women are ugly just by nature...

Anonymous said...

Menelik London a.k.a Malarki5 just stop with the b.s.

Anonymous said...

Teenie says:

"Menelik Charles, you're an idiot. clearly my post was lost on you".

Teenie says of Rocky:

"you could really be doing something more productive with this blog, instead all you do is bash black women...

You just seem bitter and jealous of Black women being with white men overall".

Menelik replied:

I really cannot figure out how or where Rocky is "bashing Black women. Please give quoted example of him doing so...


and of at least a single quote indicating envy of Black women with white partners.

Menelik says:

You haven't answered my question Teenie...why is this? I did not insult you, I merely asked that you provide evidence supporting your assertions about Rocky, that was all.

Can you do that for me please, Teenie, and then, with your help, I shall cease being an "idiot". All I'm asking is that you answer the question!

Menelik Charles
London

@Anon I have no need to hide my identity! Menelik Charles is my birth name and Malarki5 is a pen name...what is your point?

Rocky said...

Menelik Charles, you're an idiot. clearly my post was lost on you. - teenie

Actually, he seems to have addressed your post quite adequately and debunked your notions quite thoroughly.

Rocky said...

I merely asked that you provide evidence supporting your assertions about Rocky, that was all.

Don't hold your breath bro. They don't provide evidence because they have none. Neither you nor I have ever bashed black women. I don't think that I have made a single post addressing interracial dating. I have addressed the assertions made by your typical black female IR blogger, but not interracial dating itself.

Anonymous said...

"They don't provide evidence because they have none."

I gave you evidence, making black women out to be inherently more abusive than other women. Calling black women hoes. People like Rocky and Menelik in London are the reasons bp can't have unity. I don't fault Sara and Evia, although I don't agree wit them. They obviously have been hurt by bm and are crying out for help, but instead all you do is harass bw even more. That is the problem. Most bw want bm, but too many bm are insensitive to the feelings of many bw and just end up pushing us away further.

Anonymous said...

and also Rocky you bash bw everyday, you bash bw everytime you don't defend us from the negative/ anti-bw racism that comes our way. You don't stop people like Laurelton Queens (who calls black women hoes and nappy headed) you don't stop people like srgtwilliepete and the herds of others who berate bw. You and Menelik are just cowards. Doing nothing in the face of injustice is just as bad as doing injustice yourself. If you're not with bw, then you're against bw. - Teenie

Anonymous said...

Anon said:

"I don't fault Sara and Evia, although I don't agree wit them. They obviously have been hurt by bm and are crying out for help, but instead all you do is harass bw even more".


Menelik replies:

I simply have no idea what you're talking about! I've done more to address the underlying pain Evia and Sara conceal behind their "we desire white men" facade, than most of their critics.

Have you not read my posts over at Rocky's blog?

What exactly is your point about Rocky and I "harassing bw even more"? Provide evidence please. Is that too much to ask?

EVIDENCE PLEASE!

Otherwise just move on and leave us to challenge the "lies and distortions" made about your Black male family members since you're clearly unwilling to help out.

I sincerely wish you peace.

Menelik Charles
London England

Anonymous said...

Teenie said:

"You and Menelik are just cowards. Doing nothing in the face of injustice is just as bad as doing injustice yourself. If you're not with bw, then you're against bw".

Menelik replies:

I'm not sure I can continue replying to your posts. What is the point? Here's my point: if I have unresolved issues with my mother than I ought to see a therapist to explore and resolve those issues...yes?

I should not be taking these issues out on unsuspecting Black women like yourself, yes?

Right.

You seem to be projecting a child's eye upon Rocky and I. We are not omnipotent: we're not ya daddy. Please allow us to deal with issues as they present themselves to us.

Move on and write us off if you must. We are not ya daddy! Do keep this simple fact in mind!

PLEASE!

Menelik Charles
London

Anonymous said...

Rocky, are you married to a black woman?

Rocky said...

Yes.

Truth B. Told said...

rocky, i hope you know sara, yes sara the ir blogger has a GREAT entry going on her blog, why don't you ever talk about stuff like that...

It was a great post. It has been up for 8 days (192+ hours) and it has only generated 28 posts.

So today Sara goes back to her bread and butter (bashing Black men by using the examples of a few horrible individuals to paint the entire group as bad) and that generates 24 posts in less than 12 hours (with many more to come).

Someone even asked why bring up Black men at all on an BW/IR blog. Sara knows she has no choice or her readership will dwindle. Pretty pathetic.

Rocky said...

bashing Black men by using the examples of a few horrible individuals to paint the entire group as bad

You mean by using the ALLEGED examples of a few horrible individuals. In other words, it is not even remotely beyond Sarah, in my opinion, to fabricate such a story for the purpose of getting the responses she desires.

The funny part is that women like her will claim to get no desired attention from black men because they are dark, yet their darkness doesn't prevent them from getting undesired attention. It's funny how their stories change to fit the views they want to promote.

The average black woman will tell you that such harassment is not a big problem in their lives, yet it is somehow a problem for folks like Sarah who are dark (and probably chubby) and claim that black men don't desire them.

Oh, and I doubt that Teenie will be posting criticism of Sarah on her site.