Tuesday, October 6, 2009

"But Will It Last?". About interracial marriages and divorce.

There have been comments made by several black woman IR bloggers proclaiming the notion that IR relationships between black women and white men do much better than those between black men and white women. The first piece of "evidence" that they cite for this comes from this study and this specific part:


"Compared to White/White couples, White female/Black male, and White female/Asian male marriages were more prone to divorce; meanwhile, those involving non-White females and White males and Hispanics and non-Hispanic persons had similar or lower risks of divorce."


Now somehow, the term "non-white females" in this statement ended up meaning "black females". The fact that Asian and Hispanic women are also considered to be "non-White" never entered these women's minds. The fact that there are three times as many white male/Asian female couples than white male/black female couples should indicate to any logical person than this part of study mostly give indication of the stability between white men and Asian women.


The next piece of evidence they give is a ranking of interracial marriages that mysteriously formed out of the ether. It proclaims black woman/white man marriages as the second most stable interracial marriages with black men/white women marriages not even making the list. One their numbers posted a video on Youtube promoting this. Of course, it is like pulling teeth to get them to reference this information or provide a link to it. Sarah made an attempt to reference it by claiming that this was how Cosmopolitan Magazine ranked them in a mysterious issue ten years ago. Of course, nothing more specific was given as far as the date of the issue, volume, issue number, etc. I can't find it it through a Google search. We must all just take Sarah's word that it exists and says specifically what she claims that it says. We all know that Sara is filled with loads of honesty. NOT!


But during my searches, I did find something. There is a book called Exploring Black Sexuality by Robert Staples. Some pages of this book can be found on Google Books and part of it caught my attention. This part says:


“Interracial couples have a much higher divorce rate, especially Black women/white men, than coupes of the same race.”

The book references the statement to the "United States Bureau of the Census, Interracial Couples: 1960 to the Present. Washington, D.C.:U.S.Government Printing Office, 1999".

Now I don't know what is specifically written in this U.S. Census Beureau report, but I find it hard to believe that Staples would give a false statement in one of his several books and then falsely reference the false statement. So this is a good lesson in not taking anything the Black Women Empowerment Bloggers say at face value. Do your own research.



ADDENDUM: Truth B. Told referred me to a study that, while showing black men/white women marriages to be the least stable interracial marriages, the study also shows black women/white men marriages to be the next least stable interracial marriages. Thus, one thing that seems to be clear is that black women/white men marriages are NOT the second most stable interracial marriages and are at best the second most UNSTABLE interracial marriages.

26 comments:

Andrew said...

Basically they never do research.

Sara is now saying black women must into the upper social class to meet wealthy white men.

Who wants women that are strictly after your women. It seems like these sellout black women want the lavish lifestyle they see few women receive.

Naomi Campbell literally had a tremendous modeling career before she could even date a white man that was a billionaire. There is nothing ordinary about her.

But they want to convince ordinary black women that millionaire white men want them for long term relationships.

What happens when that man is not wealthy anymore.

I don't knock sellout black women. All women want a rich man whether they admit it or not.

They just go about it all wrong. They focus on "themselves to much".

The story always goes like this. A rich white man will "afford me" to not work and take care of his children like a loyal mammy. I won't be stressed anymore and etc.

Oh yea, how sweet. Simply delusional women all of them.

Where is Sara's rich white man at since she knows so much about dating in the upper class.

She lives in some run down part of New Jersey pretending to be something she is not.

Anonymous said...

@Andrew
How do you know Sara lives in a rundown part of New Jersey?

Andrew said...

Dear Anonymous

From my understanding she is a real estate agent in NJ. The real estate business "tanked".

I use to live Upper Montclair NJ. Well my ex girlfriend did. She has never mentioned the good parts of NJ. She always mentions having family members in the bad part of NJ.

Leads me to believe she lives in East Orange or Newark NJ, maybe even Jersey City.

Truth B. Told said...

So glad you did a piece on this. Was having this discussion on another blog. While BM/WW divorce are the highest, BW/WM and BM/BW are not that far behind.

The thing that the SSC must understand is, whatever they are trying to prove by mentioning the divorce rate of BM/WW couples, then that it has to apply to them as Black women are the most divorced group in this country no matter what race of men they marry.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0483/acs04_ms_table2.pdf

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Truth B. Told said...

http://tinyurl.com/yl5a7hb

Since blogger cuts off the links.

Ichibod said...

Saying she lives in a rundown apartment just sounds funny to me.

"Of course, it is like pulling teeth to get them to reference this information or provide a link to it."

Yea, also the circumstances behind why the alleged lower ranking couples split more often than the higher ranking ones, or why any of them split altogether. White men/black women couples are ranked 2nd? What if the white man just treats his black woman that well. Maybe the white man treats his black woman horrible but she toughs it out because she doesn't want all the "I told you so" to come to fruition. Maybe the black woman treats her white husband like gold and he is pretty much content. How about the white man proves to be no different the any other race in a relationship with this woman proving that maybe, just maybe she was the one with the problem all along. Who called for the divorces? Who got custody of the children if there were any involved? Who knows, maybe the woman was infertile or the man was sterile and children were to be an essential part of the marriage. All of these things need to be considered in any divorce. Irreconcilable Differences is an easy way out for either party to choose not accept responsiblity for their mistakes.

For a black women empowerment blogger to use such statistics regarding interracial marraiges to say, "Ha, Ha! WW/BW couples get DIVORCED less than your X/Y couples is pretty lame. Or should I say 2nd. And to go strictly by numbers rather than circustances regarding anything except gambling, is quite foolish. Even the Florida Lottery and Casinos alternate ball sets and card decks.

Mr Laurelton Queens said...

If you look at the statistics for black women.

Last to be married. First to be divorced. They don't lead in the widow category because you have to be married first. The widow rate would be just as devastating.

This was done in 2004. I figure it just got worse and it is 2009.

The recession is putting pressure on black people.

I figure those statistics will go up.

I don't know why these sellout black women think they are "winning" anything.

Rocky said...

While BM/WW divorce are the highest, BW/WM and BM/BW are not that far behind.

Is that the actual case Truth? Because the book I cited states the divorce rate for black women/white men to be the highest and cites census data on this. Also, there are sites where people claim to have seen or heard this very statistic:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071027183117AAbDOJr

Janessa said:

"Statistically, and I know you can look this up, the least STABLE interracial pairing is a white man and a black woman.
Source(s):
I listened in my Race and Gender class :-)"


It's understandable that black men have an overall SLIGHTLY higher divorce rate than black women since more black men are in the very interracial marriages that are less stable, thus increasing their divorce statistics, but when interracial marriages specifically are compared to each other, it appears than the black woman/white man marriage is the least stable.

Truth B. Told said...

Is that the actual case Truth? Because the book I cited states the divorce rate for black women/white men to be the highest and cites census data on this. Also, there are sites where people claim to have seen or heard this very statistic:

According to one study it appears so.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/121663377/HTMLSTART?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Not that Black women should celebrate given the census data I provided earlier and that their numbers with WM and BM are not far from BM with WW. Scroll down to Table 3 and you will see the three worst pairings.

Black people as a whole have work to do when in comes to marriage, regardless of who it is with.

Rocky said...

Ah, thanks for the info Truth.

Anonymous said...

@Andrew
"From my understanding" and "leads me to believe" means you don't know. lol

Truth B. Told said...

Sometimes when I click on the link the study comes up and sometimes I get cookie errors.

Try this link

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/121663377/HTMLSTART?

Anonymous said...

Y'all have to realize that Asian women with white men are not the epitome of stable marriages. Some of these Asian women are foreigners who married socially awkward white males (who were rejected by white, black, Native American, and Hispanic females) for a green card and visa. People who want green cards do not divorce that quickly. ha ha ha!

But the MOST UNSTABLE marriages exist in Hollywood regardless of race! ha ha!

Anonymous said...

"Some of these Asian women are foreigners who married socially awkward white males (who were rejected by white, black, Native American, and Hispanic females) for a green card and visa."

Thank you!

I never thought of that but it makes sense. lol

Thank you, again!

Anonymous said...

Y'all, I'm the Anon who posted about the Hollywood divorce rate.

Anyway, I am not siding with Sara et al. I support Rocky in his efforts to reveal the TRUTH. I'm just pointing out that marriages are never easy for any race.

White men who marry foreign women of any race from Africa, Russia, or Asia are probably undesirable to women of all races in the United States. That is why women from around the world flock to these undesirable white men from America. Those women want their green cards and MASTER CARDS!

Black women should criticize the behavior of any race or gender and not blame everything on black men.

Go, Rocky, go! Keep throwing the statistical punches!

Anonymous said...

Quite true, Andrew!

Naomi Campbell is not an ordinary black woman... or even an ordinary woman... or even an ordinary model. Naomi is a SUPERMODEL - first black SUPERMODEL (when word was first coined) and CELEBRITY extraordinaire! And that catapults her fame to the upper echelons of the rich and famous. Naomi is the recognizable face of British Vogue, American Vogue, and major fashion designers everywhere.

In fact, we don't even have any new supermodels anymore because Naomi and her supermodel clan frequently consumer air time.

Incidentally, Naomi is of Caribbean (mixed) ancestry with a British upbringing. Naomi is not your traditional African-American woman; no, she's EXOTIC. Even Iman, Somalian model, is deemed exotic. Their exoticism and, most important, their incredible fame makes them eligible for courtship from rich men who covet fashionable trophies.

Mr Laurelton Queens said...

Dear Anonymous

Even the most exotic black women hardly get married to rich white men. I think people sometimes see these rich white men with minority women and assume they are married to them.

That is really never the case. A majority of them stay within their race and with a rather "girl next door" type looking white woman.

For example, Princess Diana wasn't a model or even that attractive. She was cute. As time went on she became very attractive.

So it is not always about looks.

Beauty for black women can be a gift and a curse. They look at you as more of a sexual object than a wife.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Laurelton, quite true again!

Exotic non-white women are generally viewed as sex objects and not as wives.

I read an article about older white women visiting the Caribbean and Africa in search of young black men. When men objectify women, the feminists complain. But when women objectify young men, it's packaged as empowerment and cheered as a self esteem boost. Please - these older women merely want to "get their freak on" and find pleasure with young black males from impoverished nations because men from their first world nations are rejecting them. These women also want sexual gratification and CONTROL over young, hapless, impoverished studs from the third world because it's easier to exploit the third world.

PacMan

Anonymous said...

“Interracial couples have a much higher divorce rate, especially Black women/white men, than coupes of the same race.”

That Google book link Rocky gave for this supposed information is garbage. The book is written by a black man if you look at the cover. That's obvious just his own DBR opinion. All of the modern studies show white men's marriages last including the wiley study. You can keep repeating the lies all you want, but bw know the truth about angry, shiftless negroes who have no jobs and sit online all day at library computers making up statistics or getting them from dubious sources.

Andrew said...

Dear Anonymous

I got white authors saying the same thing about black women dating white men. Are they "garbage" too.

Are the white authors damaged beyond on repair.

Even if the marriages lasted with white men.

THEY ARE NOT MARRYING BLACK WOMEN OR THEY MARRY THEM LAST.

Stupid rat!

Anonymous said...

The "something new crew" certainly fire their cannons like the KKK.

PacMan

Rocky said...

The book is written by a black man if you look at the cover. That's obvious just his own DBR opinion. All of the modern studies show white men's marriages last including the wiley study.

That black man cites census data for his info.

And the Whiley study shows that the most unstable marriages that white men enter are those with black women.

Andrew said...

Dear Rocky

I was reading what's "her face" blog and she has some statistics out showing a difference of an opinion on which interracial relationships last longer.

By the way here is the cupid report. That is not "what's her face" statistics. Actually somebody emailed me the cupid report. THIS IS MORE ACCURATE THEN THE ONE SELLOUT BLACK GIRLS ARE PASSING AROUND.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/10/05/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/


The sellout black girls are passing this report around.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7532/is_200804/ai_n32270493/?tag=content;col1

Let me point out a couple things about their so called statistics.

White men are hardly marrying black women. The sample is small Black men involved in interracial relationships are nearly double. Of course, the divorce rate could be higher or "unstable".

Secondly, they use words like "less likely and more likely". It does not mean this is facts.

What's her face said this on her blog.

6. "NH Black women and White men who choose to intermarry may be selective of an especially high degree of commitment to their relationship that reduces the potential for divorce."

She said that BLACK WOMEN are selective in the white mates they choose.

I tend to think WHITE MEN are more selective. Because if it was the other way around. More black women would be married to white men, which is clearly not the case.

What she indirectly does that makes me laugh is throw black women under the bus. If white men are selective, that would mean the 'average working class" black woman is ignored or overlooked. Yea the black girls without degrees, and are single mothers or live in low income black communities.

I guess these statistics are supposed to give them a sense of security.

Nice try Evia "what's her face".

Good day Rocky

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Life!

Anonymous said...

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