Friday, March 4, 2011

Why Sex Comes Cheap Nowadays


I had to post this article since it relates so much to what our side has been saying for so long. The interesting part is that this article is not directed as black people, but at the overall population. The BWE/IR bloggers would have you to think that such trends below don't exist among whites and other non-blacks, but as we can see this isn't true. One can say that such trends are simply more intense among blacks. But lets take a look at the article below:

Sex Is Cheap
Why young men have the upper hand in bed, even when they're
failing in life.


We keep hearing that young men are failing to adapt to contemporary
life
. Their financial prospects are impaired—earnings for 25- to 34-year-old
men have fallen by 20 percent since 1971. Their college enrollment numbers trail
women's: Only 43 percent of American undergraduates today are men. Last year,
women made up the majority of the work force for the first time. And yet there
is one area in which men are very much in charge: premarital heterosexual
relationships.

When attractive women will still bed you, life for young men, even
those who are floundering, just isn't so bad. This isn't to say that all men
direct the course of their relationships. Plenty don't. But what many young men
wish for—access to sex without too many complications or commitments—carries the
day. If women were more fully in charge of how their relationships transpired,
we'd be seeing, on average, more impressive wooing efforts, longer
relationships, fewer premarital sexual partners, shorter cohabitations, and more
marrying going on. Instead, according to the National Longitudinal Study of
Adolescent Health (which collects data well into adulthood), none of these
things is occurring. Not one. The terms of contemporary sexual relationships
favor men and what they want in relationships, not just despite the fact that
what they have to offer has diminished, but in part because of it. And it's all
thanks to supply and demand.

To better understand what's going on, it's worth a crash course in
"sexual economics," an approach best articulated by social psychologists Roy Baumeister and Kathleen Vohs. As Baumeister, Vohs, and others have
repeatedly shown, on average, men want sex more than women do. Call it sexist,
call it whatever you want—the evidence shows it's true. In one
frequently cited study
, attractive young researchers separately approached
opposite-sex strangers on Florida State University's campus and proposed casual
sex. Three-quarters of the men were game, but not one woman said yes. I know:
Women love sex too. But research like this consistently demonstrates that men
have a greater and far less discriminating appetite for it. As Baumeister and Vohs note, sex in
consensual relationships therefore commences only when women decide it does.

And yet despite the fact that women are holding the sexual purse
strings, they aren't asking for much in return these days—the market "price" of
sex is currently very low. There are several likely reasons for this. One is the
spread of pornography: Since high-speed digital porn gives men additional sexual
options—more supply for his elevated demand—it takes some measure of price
control away from women. The Pill lowered the cost as well. There are also,
quite simply, fewer social constraints on sexual relationships than there once
were. As a result, the sexual decisions of young women look more like those of
men than they once did, at least when women are in their twenties. The price of
sex is low, in other words, in part because its costs to women are lower than
they used to be.

But just as critical is the fact that a significant number of young men are
faring rather badly in life, and are thus skewing the dating pool. It's not that
the overall gender ratio in this country is out of whack; it's that there's a
growing imbalance between the number of successful young women and successful
young men. As a result, in many of the places where young people typically
meet—on college campuses, in religious congregations, in cities that draw large
numbers of twentysomethings—women outnumber men by
significant margins. (In one Manhattan ZIP code, for example, women account for
63 percent of 22-year-olds.)

The idea that sex ratios alter sexual behavior is well-established.
Analysis of demographic data from 117 countries has shown that when men
outnumber women, women have the upper hand: Marriage rates rise and fewer
children are born outside marriage. An oversupply of women, however, tends to
lead to a more sexually permissive culture. The same holds true on college
campuses. In the course of researching our book Premarital Sex in America, my co-author and I
assessed the effects of campus sex ratios on women's sexual attitudes and
behavior. We found that virginity is more common on those campuses where women
comprise a smaller share of the student body, suggesting that they have the
upper hand. By contrast, on campuses where women outnumber men, they are more
negative about campus men, hold more negative views of their relationships, go
on fewer dates, are less likely to have a boyfriend, and receive less commitment
in exchange for sex.

The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health data offer other
glimpses into just how low the cost of sex is for young men ages 18 through 23.
Take the speed with which these men say their romantic relationships become
sexual: 36 percent of young men's relationships add sex by the end of the second
week of exclusivity; an additional 13 percent do so by the end of the first
month. A second indicator of cheap sex is the share of young men's sexual
relationships—30 percent—that don't involve romance at all: no wooing, no dates,
no nothing. Finally, as my colleagues and I discovered in our interviews,
striking numbers of young women are participating in unwanted sex—either
particular acts they dislike or more frequent intercourse than they'd prefer or
mimicking porn (being in a dating relationship is correlated to greater
acceptance of and use of porn among women).

Yes, sex is clearly cheap for men. Women's "erotic capital," as Catherine
Hakim of the London School of Economics has dubbed it, can still be traded for
attention, a job, perhaps a boyfriend, and certainly all the sex she wants, but
it can't assure her love and lifelong commitment. Not in this market. It's no
surprise that the percentage of 25- to 34-year-olds who are married has shrunk by an average
of 1 percent each year this past decade.

Jill, a 20-year-old college student from Texas, is one of the many
young women my colleagues and I interviewed who finds herself confronting the
sexual market's realities. Startlingly attractive and an all-star in all ways,
she patiently endures her boyfriend's hemming and hawing about their future. If
she were operating within a collegiate sexual economy that wasn't oversupplied
with women, men would compete for her and she would easily secure the long-term
commitment she says she wants. Meanwhile, Julia, a 21-year-old from Arizona
who's been in a sexual relationship for two years, is frustrated by her
boyfriend's wish to "enjoy the moment and not worry about the future." Michelle,
a 20-year-old from Colorado, said she is in the same boat: "I had an
ex-boyfriend of mine who said that, um, he didn't know if he was ever going to
get married because, he said, there's always going to be someone better." If
this is "the end of men," someone really ought to let
them know.

And yet while young men's failures in life are not penalizing them in
the bedroom, their sexual success may, ironically, be hindering their drive to
achieve in life. Don't forget your Freud: Civilization is built on blocked,
redirected, and channeled sexual impulse, because men will work for sex. Today's
young men, however, seldom have to. As the authors of last year's book Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern
Sexuality
put it, "Societies in which women have lots of autonomy and
authority tend to be decidedly male-friendly, relaxed, tolerant, and plenty
sexy." They're right. But then try getting men to do anything.


The last paragraph is the kicker and pretty much sums up what so many black men have declared before and so many black women insist on denying. Women's sexual behavior significantly influences the behavior of men. This is reality. Women have always been the ones who bring restraint to heterosexual sexual activity which is why gay men have on average three times the number of sex partners as straight men, even in this day of female sexual liberation. It's such restraint that motivates men to achieve and commit in order to have such female affection at hand. Nowadays, commitment and true success are no longer necessary for sex and this is made worse by the low standards and unrestrained bad boy love prevalent among today's women with black women leading the way.


It is clearly not solely a black phenomenon but this problem is quite notably more intense in the black community. Black women have on average more sex partners than women of other groups in America and based on the words of the experts cited, this directly influences the higher level of average sex partners for black men. Women are the ones most in control of whether sex occurs or not.

The last paragraph is worth repeating:

And yet while young men's failures in life are not penalizing them in the bedroom, their sexual success may, ironically, be hindering their drive to achieve in life. Don't forget your Freud: Civilization is built on blocked, redirected, and channeled sexual impulse, because men will work for sex. Today's young men, however, seldom have to. As the authors of last year's book Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality put it, "Societies in which women have lots of autonomy and authority tend to be decidedly male-friendly, relaxed, tolerant, and plenty sexy." They're right. But then try getting men to do anything.

49 comments:

Ash said...

So black men are loser by the millions because black women give them sex?
Got it...
Now what's the cause for the sudden raise in homosexuals black males? aka Gay-Lanta
Let me guess...bad pussy?

Just a quick question, Why is this only applied to black men?
This article doesn't single out black women as a source of sex, it singles out ALL women.
Sounds like the sex is there in both cases/races but the response, or lack of, varies by race.

Your theory on sex isn't standing because the state of the black male is not solely on black women or sex. If it was, why aren't the white race or asian race in a bad way also?

They are an abundant amount of females and the sex is also there
Then again, their fathers and family traditions taught them to not become man-whores and actually settle down and have a family one day. This sex theory isn't cutting it because if black women were to stop giving black men sex..
.....they would just have sex with each.

Real Question....
So why is it that Black Males response to "cheap sex" is so much more damaging compared to the white and asians mans response to cheap sex?

stop looking for lame excuses. What's next? Rome fell because there was too much pussy around?
The article sums up the notion that there are very few guys around and the bad or good that are left are crucial and women would do anything to get them. This is largely based on women out populating men.

Just to let you know. The article is flawed. The reason why women have more jobs than men is because they worked more white collar fields...fields that were hit by the recession and left many unemployed. Also, less men attend college because they have other outlets that don't require degrees ex: construction workers, blue collar fields. As a females, even nurses need some sort of degree.
Men still make more than women and are less likely to live in poverty. At least white and asian men are.

Ash said...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110304/ap_on_he_me/us_less_sex

Just an update for you.

Fewer teens and young adults are having sex. The 18-23 group your link mentioned is included in that.

Why are black men failing now?

Rocky said...

So black men are loser by the millions because black women give them sex?
Got it...


Would figure someone like yourself would try to ridicule a professional study by trying to simplistically state the results. That's an old tactic and who said that black men are "losers by the millions"?

Now what's the cause for the sudden raise in homosexuals black males? aka Gay-Lanta
Let me guess...bad pussy?


There is no cause since there is no raise in homosexual black males. The percentage of gay black men is comparable to the percentage of gay white men. No study refutes that and studies have supported that. But do continue fabricating. Is San Fancisco evidence of a sudden rise in white male homosexuality?

Just a quick question, Why is this only applied to black men?
This article doesn't single out black women as a source of sex, it singles out ALL women.
Sounds like the sex is there in both cases/races but the response, or lack of, varies by race.


Did you actually read the blog? I stated that the article does not single out any group. Yet what is observed is clearly more prevalent among blacks and while you say the response varies, I say that availability of sex varies (a point that is consistent with the article's premise). Again, I have cited in previous blogs whereas statistically, black women have more sex partners than other women.

Your theory on sex isn't standing because the state of the black male is not solely on black women or sex. If it was, why aren't the white race or asian race in a bad way also?

Maybe because white and Asian women are more discriminating in their sexual encounters. The higher tendency for black women to pursue thugs and losers has been widely noted.

They are an abundant amount of females and the sex is also there
Then again, their fathers and family traditions taught them to not become man-whores and actually settle down and have a family one day. This sex theory isn't cutting it because if black women were to stop giving black men sex..
.....they would just have sex with each.


Or maybe white women's mothers taught them not to be "whores" and baby mommas for multiple babby daddies.

Rocky said...

Real Question....
So why is it that Black Males response to "cheap sex" is so much more damaging compared to the white and asians mans response to cheap sex?


Answered above. Maybe the access to "cheap sex" is far more abundant. Black women on average have more sex partners than other women. Look at past posts to see the link.

stop looking for lame excuses. What's next? Rome fell because there was too much pussy around?
The article sums up the notion that there are very few guys around and the bad or good that are left are crucial and women would do anything to get them. This is largely based on women out populating men.


Geez, did you even read the article. It says: "It's not that the overall gender ratio in this country is out of whack; it's that there's a growing imbalance between the number of successful young women and successful young men."

What the article is saying is that what used to be men's greatest motivation to excel is disappearing; that being the challenge of wooing women. The greater male-like behavior that women have pushed for for so many years has made sex easier and young men today are, as a result, less motivated. Here again is the quote from Freud:

"Civilization is built on blocked, redirected, and channeled sexual impulse, because men will work for sex."

Just to let you know. The article is flawed. The reason why women have more jobs than men is because they worked more white collar fields...fields that were hit by the recession and left many unemployed. Also, less men attend college because they have other outlets that don't require degrees ex: construction workers, blue collar fields. As a females, even nurses need some sort of degree.

Way to make things up, but none of this is true. Young men are loosing motivation due to modern societal trends. And yes, black women are more likely to live in poverty than black men.

The article hits it on the nail. You just don't like the results.

Rocky said...

Also Ash, your link shows a 6% increase in young women who are not sexually active at all. What the link doesn't show is the number of sex partners for those women who are still sexually active. Women today have on average 3 times as many sex partners as their grandmothers.

http://7thspace.com/headlines/339274/todays_women_have_three_times_more_sexual_partners_by_the_time_they_reach_24_than_women_of_their_grandmothers_generation_had.html

Anonymous said...

@Rocky

I think "Ash" is suffering from the delusion that black women are just like every other women yet black men are so much more different to other men. On the contrary, black women and men are considerably different from other ethnic groups in the country.

"Now what's the cause for the sudden raise in homosexuals black males? aka Gay-Lanta
Let me guess...bad pussy?"

I am glad you corrected this ridiculous non sequiter. There arent more gay black men in the total population but there are more gay black men that live in Atlanta than in other cities.

"Then again, their fathers and family traditions taught them to not become man-whores and actually settle down and have a family one day. "

Isnt it the woman who imparts culture?

Ash said...

Rocky-
Black males are actually losers by the thousands. Millions is what it feels like. There are good guys roaming but they are either taken or gay. Very few are single.

San Fran is basically the capital for white gays. If has been for decades. ATL and Washington is the Cap for Gay Blacks. I just figured you would blame women for black male homosexuality..blaming bw is kind of the trend on here.
Please Rocky, that whole "black women love thugs" is bullshit. Asian and White Women have standards and there men conform to it.

Black Women have standards and we are "high class", "Miss Independent" and unable to get a man because instead of conforming to the standards, black males complain about bw having too high of a standard.

Please..White women are the queen of whores. I'm in college and I can't name how many "girls gone wild" chicks I see on campus. Majority of them are white and asian who mess around with Frat boys and scout for future husband.
That didn't answer my question. Why is it that black males are more damaged than white males or asian males? They are all in the same boat and have the same access to women.

Why? Because black males have fallen into the place of a child. A child who cries and whines about uncle sam and stays on his mothers sympathetic titty until he is 30. This has been going on since the civil rights times, black men complaining and whining about uncle sam instead of doing something for themselves.
It confuses me sometimes, one year it's the White Mans fault, now it's the Black Womans fault..what's next? The Mexican Man is trying to get at you? The Asian Man is outsmarting you?

That's the thing Rocky, women aren't more successful than men. We still make far less than them and we still are more likely to be in poverty. The fact that we overpopulate them is the reason as into why they have more options..
The article stated that when men over-populate, marriages were up and less babies were born out of wedlock. All centered around the difference in population size! More men, the more competition because the number of women are lower and therefore we had the power. Your article states that.
This one about working for sex applied in societies with higher male populations. EX: China and other places were women can pick and choose men at the highest standard due to them largely over populating women.

Ash said...

Anonymous-
No, black women aren't like other races of women. We obviously and always have gotten treated differently. A white woman has standards, etc and she is doing the right thing. Black women have it and we aren't understanding black mens struggle and are uncooperative.

White girls put out within hours, they are experimenting and living life. Black women do it and we are whores. White Girl can right a song about being Promiscuous and it's a hit. If a black singer would have done it, she would be a disgrace to the community and teaching girls to be slutty.

white girls get lip injections and tans..they are enhancing their beauty. A black girl puts a weave in her hair and she is self hating.

No, men pass down family values to their sons. Not mothers. Its in the same boat as shaving and learning how to put a tie on. Fathers teach their sons that, the same goes for how to treat a woman, be a man and one day have a family of your own.

A mother teaching her son that is like a dad trying to take his daughter shopping for her first bra..it doesn't work out.
Ask the average man who taught them that stuff and they will say their father. Hell, my dad taught me how to help a guy put a tie on and what to expect out of a decent guy.

Kid W/Golden Arms said...

@ Rocky


Ash reinforces the article and does not even know it...she says this

"
Then again, their fathers and family traditions taught them to not become man-whores and actually settle down and have a family one day."

Implying that black men have not been taught to be husbands and wives....what she is not saying is that a man whore, by (Street) definition will not and cannot marry one woman and stay faithful, in other words, these are the men these women are after only to complain later.

The article is interesting but I doubt things will ever go "back to how they used to be" in the mythological "good ol days" as some men and women like to lament. The damage is done and its everyman and woman for himself...

Kid W/Golden Arms said...

@Ash

"So why is it that Black Males response to "cheap sex" is so much more damaging compared to the white and asians mans response to cheap sex?"
Damaging to who, black men or black women who give the sex up WILLINGLY?

Dont racialize the discussion unless you are going to back it up with evidence. White and asian men engage in the own proclivities in the states and abroad, look it up.


And implying that "cheap sex" damages black men more then turning around and sayin this

"The article sums up the notion that there are very few guys around and the bad or good that are left are crucial and women would do anything to get them"

shows the intricate role women play in shitting on these men, as rocky alluded.

Kid W/Golden Arms said...

@Ash

"Black males are actually losers by the thousands. Millions is what it feels like. There are good guys roaming but they are either taken or gay. Very few are single."
It does not matter, and we do not care how you feel. "Losers by the millions" compared to who? This myth of "all the good ones are taken" is also bullshit, its easier to get a girl when ya got a girl, stop chasing the same dudes then complaining about others being "losers" just because they dont get your panties moist.

"
Please Rocky, that whole "black women love thugs" is bullshit. Asian and White Women have standards and there men conform to it."
Really? White women have been saying for a long time how they had to conform to white mens standards and recently just broke out...this thing called feminism...hmmm

"Black Women have standards and we are "high class", "Miss Independent" and unable to get a man because instead of conforming to the standards, black males complain about bw having too high of a standard."
Black women are the ones who made this up, see Destinys Child,etc,etc. Black women went on ABC news and talked a gang of shit about how fly they were and how unfly there men were and that they should try "something new", stop projecting.

"Please..White women are the queen of whores. I'm in college and I can't name how many "girls gone wild" chicks I see on campus. Majority of them are white and asian who mess around with Frat boys and scout for future husband."
No, white women get the title "queen of whores" and the facetime as such because it was primarily white women who spearheaded the sexual revolution...black women are no better or worse...go to an HBCU or any campus with a large black population and stick around for awhile...also the black women only outnumber the men in terms of degrees by 2%...meaning that they are sleeping with the same men as other women if we are to believe the CDC std rates....

"Why? Because black males have fallen into the place of a child. A child who cries and whines about uncle sam and stays on his mothers sympathetic titty until he is 30. This has been going on since the civil rights times, black men complaining and whining about uncle sam instead of doing something for themselves. "
Most black men dont live this lifestyle...and alot of those who do have plenty of options in women...your confirmation bias is showing...

"That's the thing Rocky, women aren't more successful than men. We still make far less than them and we still are more likely to be in poverty. The fact that we overpopulate them is the reason as into why they have more options."
When women work the same hours as men, they are just as successful
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/08/department-of-labor-gender-wage-gap-a-myth/

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_wage_gap_myth.html

"The article stated that when men over-populate, marriages were up and less babies were born out of wedlock. All centered around the difference in population size! More men, the more competition because the number of women are lower and therefore we had the power. Your article states that."
No, women did not have "the power" if power is determined by holding your vagina out like a carrot on a stick since there are so few other women. Thats called proxy-prostitution and blatant manipulation.

"Hell, my dad taught me how to help a guy put a tie on and what to expect out of a decent guy."
Then why do measure all black men by the lowest common denominator and excuse the others as being "taken or gay"???

Anonymous said...

@Ash

Those black women who are deemed too independent are typically those who have to be independent. A black woman who can get the man she wants will never extoll the virtues of independence.

Its very archaic in this day and age to blame white men for your problems, as a black man. It is ironic that you would bring up Mexicans as a future source for the problems of black men. The Republicans and those who are staunchly anti mass immigration have used the rate of unemployment among black men as a reason why immigration should be limited. Black men cannot compete for jobs with immigrants who are willing to work for cheap.

I dont think black men blame black women for their problems, black women are a problem for black men. They also happen to be a problem for black children too but I dont want to get off topic.

I dont know how you qualify "success" between men and women. Men make more money because they have jobs that pay more money. They also spend a lot more time at work than women do.

I think you need to be a bit nuanced. If there were as many white women having children out of wedlock as black women I think it would be considered a national emergency. Maybe the double standards between white and black women have shielded black women from some needed criticism.

I remember when Lil Kim came out and she was all about pussy popping. Black women through their support behind her.

Ok, tying a tie, family values, and culture are very different things. Fathers have more recently parented from afar. There are no more family farms. Now fathers have to leave his home to make money while mothers rear. In that sense mothers are the first teachers of children. But the influence a man has on his wife is translated onto how she is with her children. This is why single mothers are toxic. They dont have that male influence over them to set them straight with regard to how they raise kids.

Kigal

p.s. That was me at March 5, 2011 7:06 AM. I forgot to put my name.

Andrew said...

Let me interject.

Nice post Rocky. I plan to use this as a reference for my new blog. I will put the link of this on my blog.

I had touched on this 'semi prostitution doctrine" way back.

Ash says black men whine and complain about "Uncle Sam". The only one whining and complaining is her about "white girls" supposedly stealing her lunch and gaining more respect than her.

I am sick and tired of certain black women animosity towards white women. I can't recall black men standing around blaming white men for shit. Maybe the black militants did in the past. Obviously, it ain't get us nowhere! I don't even think in those terms. I think about it "politically". Now that is what you need to worry about. Black men on a whole don't sit around and blame white men for shit. We are busy working and trying to get ahead in life. Whether by legal method or illegal methods.

Just because the white girl whores herself does not mean black women should do it too! If you a whore period no man respects your dumb ass! I don't care if you are blonde with blue eyes.

Society just has that stigma about black women. The scrutiny is going to be worse for you. That is the way it is. I don't sit here and get mad because a white trash man gets more money than me. Even though, I am more qualified than him. Because no matter what I say. Society is going to feel even a white trash man is better than a college educated black man.

I just deal with it. There is a misconception here about race. It's not so much about a race being superior.

White folks have been able to control the electorate and gov't and get their "agendas" done. Black and Hispanic people just don't take advantage of their power. They are attacking Unions and Gov't workers. Who do you think makes up the majority of those jobs? A good percentage of "minority women and men".

So when they "cut programs" that might vital for their communities. They say 'what the fuck happened". I will tell you what the fuck happened. You was worried about bashing black men and vice versa ( I am guilty of it too) and you took your eye off the ball.

Regardless of what people think. I don't get happy that black women are picked last in relationships. For that matter, black people in general should be concerned.

If all black people or black women go downhill. The opportunities for you to get ahead will be harder as a successful black man or woman.

They have a reason to fire you from a job. They got a reason to discriminate. It is slick way to cut out the "competition". They can say I hired this black person and they did "this and that". You come along you don't get hired. They can use the quota system against you or your credit score. I could go on about it

I always look at the big picture. I don't give a damn about no gays in Atlanta. That does not even make sense. What gay man wants to have sex with a woman? But its the downlow.

They lied to you! People need to use their brain.

Rocky said...

No, black women aren't like other races of women. We obviously and always have gotten treated differently. A white woman has standards, etc and she is doing the right thing. Black women have it and we aren't understanding black mens struggle and are uncooperative.

Same old distortions. Black men in general are NOT asking black women to date losers; losers being men who are unmotivated, unconstructive and self-destructive. The opposite is the case. If anything, black men are asking black women to respect and appreciate men who are doing their best even if their best has failed to net them great rewards. This is where "understanding the struggle" comes in. This does not include triffling men and never has.

Also, with regard to standards, black men are talking about character standards. What is criticized are the materialistic and shallow standards many black women exibit. We are talking about the "What Chilli Wants" type standards.

And being "uncooperative" has nothing to do with standards. It's all about not supporting a man's effort to accomplish his goals and be productive.

White girls put out within hours, they are experimenting and living life. Black women do it and we are whores. White Girl can right a song about being Promiscuous and it's a hit. If a black singer would have done it, she would be a disgrace to the community and teaching girls to be slutty.

Where do you get that "white girls" put out in hours? The "white girl" stereotype comes from the notion of sexual openness white women have with their significant men. What I've observed is that white women are more discerning about their sex partners, but when they decide to have sex with a man, they pretty much let their hair down while black women are less discerning about WHO they have sex with but more restricted in WHAT they do with those they lie with.

And conservative whites do complain about sexually themed music coming from white women. Blacks complain more about black female artists because they have far more impact on black youth than the white artists.

Rocky said...

white girls get lip injections and tans..they are enhancing their beauty. A black girl puts a weave in her hair and she is self hating.

Black folks really don't care what white women do to themselves. If they are trying to look more black, that is a complement to black women. White nationalists and other race conscious whites view those white women as self-hating.

Black folks care about what black women do and black women weave and perm FAR more often that white women get lip injections and tans.

No, men pass down family values to their sons. Not mothers. Its in the same boat as shaving and learning how to put a tie on. Fathers teach their sons that, the same goes for how to treat a woman, be a man and one day have a family of your own.

And black husbands do this and do this quite well. Thus, maybe black wives should start having more children (as opposed to having fewer children than all other groups) and we should stop subsidizing and paying homage to the lower class "baby mommas".

And the mother is the child's first teacher. This is why half black children who have white mothers show higher IQs than those with black mothers. Black mothers are not adequately teaching the children during the early years and I posted the study in Florida comparing the Cuban mothers with black mothers and how Cubans in Florida are doing so well.

A mother teaching her son that is like a dad trying to take his daughter shopping for her first bra..it doesn't work out.
Ask the average man who taught them that stuff and they will say their father. Hell, my dad taught me how to help a guy put a tie on and what to expect out of a decent guy.


So maybe black women should limit their sexual encounters to clearly marriage oriented guys and stop letting losers father their children. Then we would have these fathers in the homes. Also, treat these guys with respect and put priority on making a comfortable environment for them. Then they will seriously consider marrying you.

Anonymous said...

@Rocky

I did send you a link about a study between white and minority parents (read single mothers). Apparently minority mothers (read black mothers) use a smaller vocabulary when speaking with their children than do white mothers.

White mothers have a tendency to stimulate creative thought and independence in her children when speaking to them. She asks questions and doesnt give orders. Thats what the study said at least.

Kigali

Ash said...

Rocky-
You are right, Black Women date losers. My original statement stands correct.

I'm all for respect and appreciate of men THAT DESERVE IT! Just because you are male, doesn't mean that I should bow down and respect you.

I'm in college and I can't name how many black guys are joking around , hoping for the NBA and not focusing on their education. It's pretty pathetic. Even the black girls on the campus take their education seriously because most of us aren't there on athletic scholarships and we don't have to bounce a ball in hopes of getting somewhere.

Black Women are shallow? Says shows such as Millionaire Match maker that have average girls looking for millionaires.I do think that black females need to change their standards.

When I say white girls, I don't mean all but those who do. As for them having a sexual relationship with their significant men, I'm in college and that is not the case here. Most men and women are faithful to the one they are in a serious relationship with but let's stop acting like white women are in serious relationships with every man they are sexually active with. One Night Stands? Friends with benefits?

College girls are freakier. It depends on the man and his attitude. I personally found that black males can be too aggressive both out and inside of the bedroom. Something meant to be light and fun, can turn into an uncomfortable and overly-aggressive situation. I think it's an American Black Male thing since my boyfriend is a Black Dominican and he is a very passionate man but still masculine without being overly macho.

Tanning is far more popular. If all black women went natural, black men would have a fit. it's very rare to find a young black guy who likes natural hair. I know a few guys who like it but most don't. Debate me if you want.

Black Husbands didn't because the ball dropped somewhere. The craze of boys not having fathers in the homes didn't come from thin air.

As I said, mothers teach the general things in life but gender roles are taught by the respective gender. You missed my point on father teaching sons how to be men. I never touched on academics and who's smarter than whoever. I always skipped over IQ test because they are flawed to the fullest. People make the results what they want them to be. I took an IQ Test at the age of 14 (My school offered it) and let's just say the results were pathetic. My father was upset because he and my mom both knew that I scored so much higher. Come to find out, I actually did but they got my results mixed up with another girl who wasn't even in my school. Supposedly the scores are processed in one location and the schools get them from there. A big lie. How in the hell do you get Ashley and a name with an M , mixed up? Go figure though, she was from a public school in a lower class neighborhood.
With that said, I do think that some mothers put more time into their child's education. It depends on the mom's educational background and other things but I do not believe in IQ test.

I saw your link and I think one of the commenter's by the name of Julia stated that social class had a lot to do with that. So you can't compare lower class v higher class in terms of resources and schools. It's not a race thing since everyone knows that kids of a higher class usually are smarter.

Strong black men do that but there aren't many walking around. My father and men of his generation are admirable. The guys my age, in their late teens and early 20's, are losers by the thousands. Older Black Males are the back bone of our community and they are slowly fading out with no real man to take their position.

Menelik Charles said...

Ash said:

my father, and men of his generation, are admirable. The guys my age, in their late teens and early 20's, are losers by the thousands. Older Black Males are the back bone of our community and they are slowly fading out with no real man to take their position.


Menelik says:

you seem to be implying that we as a people (though, curiously, you appear to be using Black males to represent the people) are going to pot because "the backbone of the community" i.e. "older Black males" are "fading away".

If so then how, and why? You've been knocking Black males left and right but your argument (if we remove its feminist slant) appears inherently patriarchal insofar your acknowledgement that the community is steadily going down hill due to the "fading away" of the "older Black male".

Have you any idea what you are saying here, young lady?

your complaining about the young Black male is directly linked to the non-presence (because they're "fading away") of mature, responsible, Black men at the very heart of the community i.e. IN THE BLACK FAMILY!

This is the very reason you unwittingly give for Black men being "loser".

The other reason was explicitly provided by Bro Rocky but you didn't seem too interested in hearing it. That is, it is Black women (modern-day products of the matriarchal family) who give potentially strong, responsible, marriage-material, Black men a wide berth in favour of the very Black men you complain about in college!

Do you not see how your points and Bro Rocky's actually fit together perfectly? Only thing is, you intuitively sense that the finger of blame, in the present debate, points in the direction of Black women!

Just saying.

Menelik Charles
London UK

Kid W/Golden Arms said...

The biggest mistake a woman can make in these days is to put her pussy for sale and expect it to do well...it may have worked in the old school but not anymore.

Andrew said...

Na Kid

They "saturated the market" with pussy. That is why the value in the stock has fallen.

Fallen so badly that women give it away to other women!

Kid W/Golden Arms said...

@ Andrew,

Im rollin with esther vilar on this one, women are prone to hypergamy and thinking they can always do better because they can sleep with almost anyone....if they cant do it now then they would use pussy as a carrot on a stick for men who want it, all the while desiring men who are not sweating them....some carry this into their 30s. Truth is women are just as randy, if not more, than men and what we are seeing now is the true desires of some women out here.

Even in the black community, boys are taught to kowtow to what the women want and the women are taught to be independent of the men.All boys should be given some game (old school) from the time they start liking women, same for little girls.

People use the primordial "sex for resources/transactional" model for relationships without realizing that they have no other frame of reference so they limit the possibilities.

Anonymous said...

I guess the "point" of this "study" is that easy pussy makes straight men into slackers.

Did you reference this study because it "proves" that most straight black men today are losers because too many black women are "easy", sexually speaking?

So the black community is dead because of too much "free" pussy. Do you realize how silly that sounds? Say that to room full of straight white men and see what happens. You would be laughed out of the room.

Rocky said...

I guess the "point" of this "study" is that easy pussy makes straight men into slackers.

Did you reference this study because it "proves" that most straight black men today are losers because too many black women are "easy", sexually speaking?

So the black community is dead because of too much "free" pussy. Do you realize how silly that sounds? Say that to room full of straight white men and see what happens. You would be laughed out of the room.


First off, YOU use the word “most”, not me. Of course, you and your kind love to try and label “most” black men with a negative, despite not being able to substantiate such a claim. Growing trends in society don’t equate to “most” individuals showing such trends, and what constitutes a “loser” is quite subjective.

Second, the article I cite is written by sociologist Mark Regnerus. In support of his ideas, he references the work of fellow sociologist, Scott J. South, as well as the works of psychologists, Roy Baumeister, Russell D. Clark and Christopher Ryan. All five men are WHITE MALES. Clearly, white males will not laugh at the very ideas that they themselves are putting forth. The article makes no reference to blacks, but to men in general and we all know that white is the default color in our society. Thus, these white men are mostly referencing the behavioral trends of white men.

If you look at the comments, it appears that the men who support the article’s premise are mostly white men (many have photos by their names). The one black man I found to have commented was actually critical of the article. Of course, the vast majority of criticism came from the women.

Please stop pushing this false notion of white male superior nobility. It’s so easy to pick apart. And your attempt to use simplistic language in an effort to riducule an idea is quite transparent.

Anonymous said...

"Please stop pushing this false notion of white male superior nobility. It’s so easy to pick apart."

Nobody said that white men were "noble". White men ARE superior. And resourceful.

Look at the communities that are predominately (or totally) white versus those "communities" that are predominately (or totally) black.

The QUALITY of life that white men have created for white men, white women and white children FAR exceeds the QUALITY of life that black men have created for black women, black children and black men. That speaks for itself.

Andrew said...

This person said this...

"I guess the "point" of this "study" is that easy pussy makes straight men into slackers.

Did you reference this study because it "proves" that most straight black men today are losers because too many black women are "easy", sexually speaking?

So the black community is dead because of too much "free" pussy. Do you realize how silly that sounds? Say that to room full of straight white men and see what happens. You would be laughed out of the room."

Anything easy for men will turn them into slackers. Since we are talking about relationships , which black women like to "cry about' on ABC.

If your "loose" how can you possibly expect any man to marry you. Let alone white men.

To be real with you. Go ask the precious white man what is his point of view of black women!

Why don't these cowardly sellout black women ask white men if they think their desperate and loose!

They always seem to be speaking for white men!

They must like being calling stupid and Negress behind their back. It is like watching a dog getting beaten and it keeps coming back.

How many times must a white man tell you he will pick your ass absolutely last!

Menelik Charles said...

Anonymous said:

nobody said that white men were "noble". White men ARE superior. And resourceful.

Look at the communities that are predominately white (or totally) versus those "communities" that are predominately Black (or totally).

The QUALITY of life that white men have created for white men, white women and white children FAR exceeds the QUALITY of life that black men have created for black women, black children and black men.

That speaks for itself.

Menelik says:

so Bro Rocky was right: you are saying that white men are more "noble, resourceful and superior" to Black men!

Now if you would only take this alleged belief (I say alleged because Black-male baiting by BW is typically evidence of Black-male obsession centred around a sub-conscious anger towards, and frustrated longing for, the Black father) to Stormfront and see what those "noble" white boys make of you on there lol

Just my advice.

Menelik Charles
London UK

Andrew said...

You said this...

"The QUALITY of life that white men have created for white men, white women and white children FAR exceeds the QUALITY of life that black men have created for black women, black children and black men. That speaks for itself."

I don't understand these retarded white worshiping sellout black women! Providers for what, a trailer park and giving their white kids mountain dew and beef jerky! Man don't even take about white folks and their quality of life. I have lived around poor white trash. I rather live in the projects than with poor white trash.

Not even an obese sellout black girl would venture in a trailer park as much as they love the white man. Even Tameka is like "Dude I can't live in a trailer". It is bad enough they look dumb being picked last by white men. Now you want her to leave in a trailer!

These pathetic sellout black women need to get out more. Not every white family lives good.

The quality of life for black children is good if they are happy. I don't care if you live in the projects.

Last time I checked I hardly saw nappy headed sellout black women in a trailer park with a white man.

I thought the quality of life would be great with white men even in trailer parks. The sheer absurdity of these women.

Mr Laurelton Queens

Rocky said...

Nobody said that white men were "noble". White men ARE superior. And resourceful.

Look at the communities that are predominately (or totally) white versus those "communities" that are predominately (or totally) black.

The QUALITY of life that white men have created for white men, white women and white children FAR exceeds the QUALITY of life that black men have created for black women, black children and black men. That speaks for itself.


The contradiction here is that all studies indicate that black women have higher self esteem than white women and the study by Stevenson and Wolvers indicates that black women are happier than white women. It seems that while white women’s happiness is declining, black women’s happiness is increasing. So it appears that black men have created the communities that black women desire and, based on the research of this article and others, communities that black women have inspired them to create through sexual rewarding. Clearly, the type of economic resourcefulness you attribute to white men is something black women today do not commonly find appealing. Back when black women did find such resourcefulness appealing, we created communities like Rosewood and Black Wall Street that made the surrounding white communities violently envious.

Also, a declaration of white men as superior to black men inevitably is a declaration that white women are superior to black women. Black women and black men share the same genetic traits and grow up in the same environments under the same sub-culture and just like with black men, black women perform lower academically than other groups of their gender. One can easily surmise that in the absence of men, white women would run the world and even if you look at the recent list of the 100 most influential women in the world, only two were black. Those two were Oprah and Condoleezza.

Anonymous said...

"Now if you would only take this alleged belief (I say alleged because Black-male baiting by BW is typically evidence of Black-male obsession centred around a sub-conscious anger towards, and frustrated longing for, the Black father) to Stormfront and see what those "noble" white boys make of you on there lol"

Do you think it would be any worse than what happened to that 11 year girl who was raped by at least 18 negro boys and men in Texas?

"Not every white family lives good."

Of course, there are poor white people, however, the majority of white people in America are NOT poor. The majority of white people are middle class or higher. A typical white person in America lives better than a typical black person. A typical predominately (or totally) white neighborhood is more affluent, cleaner, safer, etc., than a typical predominately (or totally) black neighborhood.

Rocky said...

Anon. The black poverty rate is about 25%. Thus, 75% of blacks are middle class or above. That's the majority.

And as I showed you, the rape rate for black women is nearly identical to the rate for white women.

And are you not familiar with the Glen Ridge, New Jersey rape of a retarded girl where the community supported the rapists (all white)?

Andrew said...

What is your "definition of poor".

The middle class is shrinking considerably and that includes "whites".

Poverty for a single person is close to 10,000 a year.

So if you are not making more than 10,000 a year than you are considered poor.

You can make that easily working "part time".

This idea that whites live better than a black person. It depends on what you mean "live good". If you was to say a trailer park is better than the "projects".

I wouldn't want to live in 'either".

Stop the white worshiping. Last time I checked I haven't seen poor black women demanding to get into a local trailer with white folks.

Apparently, living with a white man in a trailer is "beneath them". Perhaps even white men in trailer parks won't be with a black woman.

Judging from the confederate flags all over white trailer parks. I can see why black women are reluctant to worship white trailer park men.

Good day

Menelik Charles said...

Anon said:

the majority of white people are middle class or higher. A typical white person in America lives better than a typical black person. A typical predominately (or totally) white neighborhood is more affluent, cleaner, safer, etc., than a typical predominately (or totally) black neighborhood.

Menelik asks:

then why don't you go and live among this affluent super race? Why hang out here battling with anonymous Black men on the internet? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...or does it?

What might happen, for example, if one were to put the words 'Black' and 'father' together? What sins of the (Black) father are now being heaped upon innocent folk like Bro Rocky 'n' co?

I think we should be told!

Menelik Charles
London UK

Anonymous said...

"then why don't you go and live among this affluent super race?"

I do not live in a black so-called "community". Almost all of my neighbors are white.

The last time I lived in a so-called black "community" was about 15 years ago. There were black men selling illegal drugs in broad open daylight in my old neighborhood (a neighborhood I was raised in btw). Leaving that so-called black "community" was one of the best things I ever did for myself.

"Why hang out here battling with anonymous Black men on the internet?"

Good question. It does seem like I'm wasting my time doesn't it? Especially after "Rocky" said that 75% of black Americans are middle class or higher. lol Enjoy yourselves gentlemen.

Andrew said...

You said this

"Good question. It does seem like I'm wasting my time doesn't it? Especially after "Rocky" said that 75% of black Americans are middle class or higher. lol Enjoy yourselves gentlemen."

I am middle class, got 3 degrees, and my parents have been married 32 years. I have a good job. I take care of my daughter. No fucking judge got to tell me do it! I don't got to do shit be black and die. A black man is not required to by you fancy shoes, bags and various hairstyles.

We are obligated to feed, house your stupid ass and take care of our kids. You stupid monkeys somehow got off track and started thinking black men should "clean up" all your dumb ass mistakes. You got too comfortable and spoiled.

I still don't fucking like none of those BWE sellout black women bloggers.

Before you leave, you tell those sellouts this message.

Successful black are not obligated to "police other black men". Tell them that is what the police department is for.

Secondly, since you love white men so much and want to lick their ass. "Why don't you complain about them not protecting you". Since you want to be with them so bad.

How can you talk about black men allegedly not protecting you and you are ready to stand in line for a white man. This entitlement is truly amazing.

That is like "paying rent" of a house you don't even fucking live in! Man these sellout black women are retarded.

Third, successful black men are not required to clean up your bad decisions that you did by having kids by various thugs and men you "knew" wouldn't stick around.

So fucking "whine" on your blogs to people who give a damn.

Good day and that new album is coming.

Good looking out Rocky

Rocky said...

Anon. Were there prostitutes walking the streets of your old neighborhood?

And you said that most whites were NOT poor, as if this is not the case for blacks. Roughly 25% of blacks are poor. Thus, 75% are NOT poor. Here are links:

http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

In 2009, 25.8 percent of blacks and 25.3 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 9.4 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 12.5 percent of Asians.

So clearly, your belief that most blacks are poor was based on ignorance; a specific ignorance that I found to be most common with whites(the belief that most black are poor).

Menelik Charles said...

@Anonymous,

all you're trying to do is tell Black men - irrespective of social class, intelligence, religion etc, that they are unworthy of the freedoms they fought for and won.

Not once have you offered any advice as to how we might improve matters in our communities: you just kept pushing a white supremacist doctrine.

But like I suggested, your issues aren't with faceless Black men on here but with a single Black man known to you by name. It is not, therefore, fair that Black men as a group should be scapegoated because one Black man as an individual failed to perform in his fatherly duties.

Just saying.

Menelik Charles
London UK

Menelik Charles said...

Bro Rocky said:

@Anon,

your belief that most blacks are poor was based on ignorance; a specific ignorance that I found to be most common with whites(the belief that most black are poor).

Menelik suggests:

I think assertion, rather than belief, was based on malevolence towards Black men than any ignorance of the facts.

Anonymous said...

"Anon. Were there prostitutes walking the streets of your old neighborhood?"

What does that have to do with black men selling drugs in my old (black) neighborhood in broad open daylight? But the answer to your question is none that I ever saw.

"Roughly 25% of blacks are poor. Thus, 75% are NOT poor."

You originally said that 75% of blacks were MIDDLE CLASS. Now you are saying that 75% of blacks are Not poor. Big difference between middle class and NOT poor.

I'm sorry but bus drivers, postal employees, hospital/nursing home employees, garbage collectors, most (who are relatively low level) public sector/government workers, etc., are NOT middle class. They might not be poor but they're NOT middle class either. Some of the aforementioned workers are eligible for Food Stamp benefits.

Anonymous said...

Roughly 25% of blacks are poor. Thus, 75% are NOT poor.

If 75% of blacks are middle class and higher, then that's an astronomically high level of blacks who are doing well financially. What in the world then are blacks complaining all the time about? On the one hand, blacks keep complaining about how they get shut out of a lot due to discrimination, but you're now saying that 75% of them have achieved the american dream, middle class or higher. You have defeated your own argument.

Rocky said...

Uhm, Anon. Where in my blog is there any complaining about lack of opportunities for blacks?

And for the other anon, what defines middle class varies according to the model and there is no established definition. I was going by the popular 3 class designation which is upper, middle and poor.

But clearly, when you said that "most whites are not poor", you were implying that most blacks were and all models would disagree with this.

Anonymous said...

Where in my blog is there any complaining about lack of opportunities for blacks?


Okay, I take that back. I apologize. I guess I read so much where black men complain about how they're being shut out and kept back by racist white folks.
Why in your opinion is it that most black men are not doing what they need to be doing? Please don't tell me that they are. 75% are middle class and higher? Don't try to blame it on black women because that's the end of any intelligent discussion.

Rocky said...

Why in your opinion is it that most black men are not doing what they need to be doing?

What is it that black men "need to be doing" and how do you conclude that "most blackmen" are not doing it?

Andrew said...

I like the rebuttals here.

Again what is the definition of poverty in this country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

"File:US Poverty Rates.svg Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 13 to 17% of Americans living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some point within a 10-year time span. Poverty is defined as the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.[1] Approximately 43.6 (14.3%) million Americans were living in poverty in 2009, up from 39.8 million (13.2%) in 2008.[2]"

"Poverty and race
The US Census declared that in 2008 13.2% of the general population lived in poverty:[30]
8.6% of all non-Hispanic White
11.8% of all Asian-American
23.2% of all Hispanic (of any nationality)
24.2% of all American Indian and Alaska Native
24.7% of all African-American.
About half of those living in poverty are non-Hispanic white, but poverty rates are much higher for blacks and other minorities. 57% of all poor rural children are non-Hispanic white, compared with 28% of poor urban children.[31]"

About half of those live in poverty are "white".

Our poverty rate is high also but we are "small in number" relative to the white population.

You said "apologize". That is the first step in understanding the black man.

You said this..

"Okay, I take that back. I apologize. I guess I read so much where black men complain about how they're being shut out and kept back by racist white folks."

Institutionalized racism exists in this country. Where do you think wealth and power comes from? You think everybody "got" a fair shot at the American dream.

Plus, very few people become wealthy in this country. Most of their wealth comes from a "monopoly" or inheritance or both. That would take too long to explain. So they say "oh you are blaming other people for your circumstances". Its a straw man argument so they continue to do what they do.

The accumulation of massive wealth is hardly done fairly and you must always get rid of the competition.

They lockup black men for that and call them criminals for doing the same thing. This country financial system was built on illegal activity. But see your black ass can't go that route (shaking head, na can't do that).

White men do it and they say "that is good business".

Wait Minority men do it and they are "terrorists". LOL I am tired of asking the "sand niggers for oil".

Basically the US foreign policy in the Middle East and Africa.

Anonymous said...

What is it that black men "need to be doing" and how do you conclude that "most blackmen" are not doing it?

Are you serious? It's too much to even try to talk about and too late. Besides, your attack dog is already growling. Bye.

Rocky said...

So you can't answer it? Not surprised.

Adonis said...

Good Morning Brother... Please get a GOD DAMN tweet button... So I can spread this good shit you be poppin'

Enjoy your Morning...

Supporting My Troop said...

Umm Rocky..

You can't answer a question with a question. So technically, neither one of you answered the questioned.

Just Sayin!

Rocky said...

I questioned the meaning and accuracy of the question's premise. That is quite different from refusing to answer a clear cut question. If I don't understand or agree with the notion of "MOST" black men not doing what they "NEED" to be doing, the question cannot be answered. If I ask you why the Earth is flat, you cannot give me an answer unless you believe the Earth to be flat.

On the other hand, if you assert a certain notion, you must be prepared to support it, which is something that the commenter refused to do when asked to do so.

Just sayin!

chelsey king said...

I think not only black men are engaged in sex even white and Asian men are making friends just to have sex.