Showing posts with label double standards. Show all posts
Showing posts with label double standards. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 17, 2011

The Wall Street Journal Fix.




Just recently, an article published in the Wall Street Journal by Dr. Ralph Richard Banks has created sort of a buzz among the various so called “Black Women Empowerment” fanatics as well as a bit of unease between some of them. One of the main ones embracing this article is Christelyn Karazin.

The premise of the article is the idea that if black women ‘date out’ more, it could/would motivate black men to improve in order to compete with the added competition. It’s an interesting premise because historically, this basic premise has been one that the BWE group has repeatedly shunned on the basis that it places responsibility on black women for shaping the behavior of black men.

But lo and behold, when the idea of black men’s behavior being influenced by black women involves black women dating and marrying non-black men, it is acceptable. It really goes to show how much BWE/IR bloggers are agenda driven.

Consider that for years, black men have pointed out and complained about the disproportionately strong trend of black women seeking relationships with bad boys. It has long been argued that this trend heavily influences the behavior of black men and has been supported through research under the theory of sexual selection. Even the dreaded Satoshi Kanazawa touched on this:



“In reality, however, women do often say no to men. (In my experience, they
always do.) This is why men throughout history have had to conquer foreign
lands, win battles and wars, compose symphonies, author books, write sonnets,
paint portraits and cathedral ceilings, make scientific discoveries, play in
rock bands, and write new computer software, in order to impress women so that
they will agree to have sex with them. There would be no civilization, no art,
no literature, no music, no Beatles, no Microsoft, if sex and mating were a male
choice. Men have built (and destroyed) civilizations in order to impress women
so that they might say yes. Women are the reason men do everything.”

Polow Da Don stated:



“If every Black woman got together and said, "We're not gonna date guys unless
they have PhDs. We're not gonna date guys unless they have a Master’s [degree].”
Guess what? In due time, n****s will stop selling dope and they'll start going
to college.”


He was attacked relentlessly for this statement. Such a statement has been repeated over and over by black men criticizing black women for routinely sexually rewarding bad behavior, yet black women’s response has overwhelmingly been critical indicating that this notion places responsibility on black women. Yet, as we see with Karazin and others like her, if this basic idea is expressed in a way that promotes black women dating and marrying non-black men, it is quite acceptable. There are more than enough quality black men out there to put pressure on trifling black men to clean up their acts, yet this will never happen until these quality black men begin getting the attention that they deserve.

Plus, there are the flaws in this argument. One of the biggest ones is the fact that marriage rates are declining for all ethnic groups in the United States. At least 40 - 45% of white women are single at any given moment and 50% of all American women are single. There are a total of 4 million more white women than white men and 6 million more women than men in America overall. So it begs the question of exactly how much success do the IR bloggers expect black women to have competing against those 40% of white women and other non-black single women for the very men who have repeatedly placed black women last on their dating radar?

The next flaw is the discovery that the white men that black women marry are on average less educated than the black men that black women marry. Thus, the so-called competition would not be based on personal quality, but instead entirely on race and since no black man can change his race, such added competition would be meaningless. It’s much like the high level of marrying out done by Asian women. Asian American men have outdone white men socially and economically for decades, yet Asian women still marry out at a higher rate than any other group of women. Asian women simply want white men, period and the ONLY thing that Asian men could do to compete is to become white, which is impossible.

Lastly, history doesn’t support the notion. Since 1980, interracial marriage involving black women has tripled, yet within that same timeframe, the single rate for black women has increased by 20%. Thus, a major increase in interracial marriage for black women has coincided with a major decrease in marriage overall for black women. It is clear that marrying out is no solution. Interestingly enough, one of Karazin’s commenters pointed this out and was attacked and seemingly banned for doing so. Clearly such women are motivated by personal agenda and personal disdain as opposed to truth and reality.

Much of what I state above is addressed in this great article by Ivory A. Toldson, Ph.D., and Bryant Marks, Ph.D.


Saturday, January 24, 2009

The SNC trying to justify their double standards.

The Black family,
from Amazing Race: Family Edition

















I was reading a particular post by Halima Anderson that really hit home the trend of the Something New (Something Screwed), Sell-Out Crew that I have pointed out before. That simply is the trend of fabrication. Quite simply, they basically make things up for the purpose of attempting to justify their positions. In this case, they attempt to justify their double standards on interracial dating. Esha "Evia" Moore has done this herself. They try to justify their negative attitudes toward black men in IR while having positive attitudes toward black women in IR by trying to establish different motivations between black men and black women who date out.

I posted a response on her blog asking for evidence of these different motivations. Needless to say, my post was censored out. I expected this, yet I wanted to submit the post to show how they actually have no evidence for the things they post and as a result of such a lacking of evidence, they simply run from the request. Thus they censor.

For those that are not familiar with Halima, she is a black female British citizen who, for some reason, has a deep disdain for black men in general and seems to imply expertise with regard to issues of African Americans. She proclaims herself a writer and has what seems to be a rather unknown e-book supposedly instructing black women on how to catch white men. I suspect that the book is a joke, but it does exemplify her very overt desire for WHITE MEN over other non-black men. She even tries to justify this, yet I will show precisely how even that falls flat. Lets analyze some of her 'points'.

"We do not lump all interracial dating together. We regard black male interracial dating as distinctly different in character from black female interracial dating and recognise that black male interracial dating has historically born the hallmarks of being founded upon a rejection of and discrimination against black women."


Now while Halima doesn't give evidence for this notion, there are those experts who have done some research. One of those is Kellina Craig-Henderson, professor of psychology at Howard University. She is the author of the book, "Black Men In Interracial Relationships" answers questions about her research at the Washington Post. One question and answer stood out:

Springfield, Va.: Interesting. I look forward to reading the book. Do you find that black men who date non-black women are willing to date black women, but happen to become involved with a non-black woman? Or, is the case that black men have selected their partners based partially on the fact that they are non-black women?

Kellina Craig-Henderson
: In my research, I found both. In fact, that is why I concluded that for every Black man who consciously sought out a non-Black woman to date and marry, there was another Black man who could honestly claim happenstance in his interracial realtionship. I hope you enjoy the book.


So based on the research of an expert, she found that at least half the black men in her study could "honestly claim happenstance in his interracial relationship". This greatly shoves a monkey wrench in Halima's premise. Even those men who actively sought out non-black women may not have done so to reject black women, but to embrace diversity in their dating. I'm sure that a large portion of the 92% of married black men who are married to black women have dated non-black women and many of them may have actually sought out such women. In the end, they married black women.

"We recognise the different motivations of black male interracial dating and that of black female interracial dating. We recognise that black female interracial dating is often driven by the unavailability of black male partners(traditional dating pool) , a situation which interracial dating among black men contributes to. This means that black women’s interracial choices are not a direct rejection of black males as can be argued in the case of black men, whose motivations cannot be linked to unavailability of black female partners, yet whose interracial dating rates are higher than black females."


Another flawed premise. For one, the notion of the "unavailability" of black male partners is mostly a myth. For one, while 70% of black women are single, 68% of black men are single. Such a large single rate for black men equates to a large group of available black men. What folks fail to realize is that while black people are not getting married nearly as often as in the past, black men and women are dating and being intimate as much as ever and probably more. Even with the general public, marriage is at its lowest rate, yet intimacy and dating are still quite high. The greater trend of being single for blacks is just another example of how negative trends tend to hit blacks the hardest. Heck, one cannot simply blame black men for the low marriage rates since research has shown that men tend to value marriage more than women and black women value marriage less than other groups of women:

Of course, they will respond by saying that there is a lack of quality black men, yet this assumes that there is not a similar lack of quality black women. You see, Halima, Evia, and their followers tend to define things such as "quality" in a way that makes black women appear to be so much better than black men. But lets look at a few things that black men (or men in general) view as a "quality" or lack of when it comes to women.

1. A single women without kids are something that black men see as quality. It is becoming more and more difficult for single black men to find childless women. Black women are still having children out of wedlock at a high rate and at young ages, thus making single, childless black women less and less common.

2. Black men see women who are NOT overweight as quality. Up to 80% of black women are overweight. Being overweight is often a sign of a sedentary lifestyle and a lack of energy. Being overweight is often a sign of laziness (not in all cases). Studies have shown that overweight women have lower sex drives. Being overweight often takes away the petite qualities that research has shown to be more attractive to men.

3. Tattoos. In modern time, it has become popular for females to sport tattoos as opposed to the past whereas tattoos were something that was seen almost entirely on men and even then, a minority of men. Today, the number of women with tattoos actually slightly exceeds the number of men with them. With non-black women, tattoos are primarily those viewed as "lady tattoos" and generally appear on the small of the back and on the side of the calf, yet with black women there seems to be far less restraint with regard to where tattoos are located and what the tattoos are. Thus, it is not uncommon to see black women with tattoos and their shoulders and arms, across their upper chests, on their thighs and on their necks. These often include the names of their previous lovers and profanity (I once saw a black woman with "bad bitch" tattooed on her arm). It is quite reasonable to say that images like this tend to make a woman appear considerably less "wifey material". Such a woman is quick to be labeled as less quality for it often takes an unsound woman to place such unbecoming marks on her body.

4. Attitudes. This has been a source of argument for a while in this unfortunate so-called "gender war". The stereotype of the attitudes of many black women is a stereotype that members of the Something New/Something Screwed Crew seem to want to declare as totally fabricated or try to relabel as "strength". They accuse black men of promoting this, yet white people probably hold more to this stereotype than anyone else. In this study, it is shown that a sample of white college students, half of whom are male, perceive black women as "loud, aggressive, argumentative, stubborn, and bitchy". Most stereotypes are exaggerated, yet have at least some bases in reality. This stereotype definitely doesn't apply to all black women, yet it is reasonable to conclude that such characteristics are disproportionately prevalent among black women and men of any race will generally view such attitudes and behaviors as poor quality.

5. Education. Contrary to what they want you to believe, there is no massive amount of black women gaining higher degrees as opposed to a minuscule amount of black men doing the same. Only 18% of African American women achieve college degrees compared to roughly 12% of black men who do the same. Thus 82% of African American women have something that 88% of African American men have, and this in NO HIGHER DEGREE. Even the high school drop-out rates for black men and black women are practically even (9.5% for black women and 10.5% for black men). Thus, there is no significant number of educated black women who can't find similarly educated black men. And with the significant number of enabling black women who are so desiring of men behind bars, even incarceration is not a good excuse for the notion of a lack of black men.

"We believe in propagating the message of black women availing themselves of all their dating options, and in particular the interracial dating options, and in particular their opportunities with white men who constitute the largest group of available men in the West."


This a notion that clearly has basis in ignorance and simplistic thinking. While white men are the largest group of men in the West, that does not make them the largest group of AVAILABLE men in the West. You see, the top competitors for their affections are white women who are the largest group of women in the west. Thus, the sheer magnitude of competition for white men from white and Asian women negates their larger numbers, thus making then not so available to black women as Halima thinks.

"We believe that black women are both socialised against, socially restrained from and directed away from taking up their ‘full dating options’, in various ways and throughout their lives."


I'm happy that she stressed "believe" because what one believes is contrary to what is truth. I'll take what an actual sociology professor says over what Halima says any day:

"When it comes to Black/White interracial relationships my research indicates, that White women face the most family opposition of all of the race/gender groups. The tactics used to show opposition in White women’s families are often more extreme. They appear to be the group most likely to be disowned or disinvited when they enter interracial relationships."

I will also take research over what she says:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:0veZleIIxIMJ:www.oberlin.edu/faculty/ndarling/transition/group4/Paper_3.html+%22Stefanie+Saia%22+%22transition%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

"Within the black community, however, women have been found to disagree more with interracial marriage than men. Researchers Paset and Taylor (1991) studied black and white college women and their attitudes toward interracial marriage. Their results proved their hypothesis that black women see interracial relationships of black men and white women as a threat to their personal and community well being.
Todd, McKinney, Harris, Chadderton, and Small (1992) did a similar study, and their findings were almost identical to the previous study. Black women were found to be the most negative group in the study since almost half of the female participants disagreed with interracial dating and marriage. These women held traditional values and felt that dating and marrying outside their race was perceived as a "let down." They also resented the competition of white women dating black men since they felt their minority group has a lack of available partners."


Clearly, black women react more negatively to black men in IR than black men react to black women in IR.

So in conclusion, if one really analyzes Anderson's words and compares them to the research, one can only logically conclude that she basically does not know what she is talking about.