tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post8626935937867367486..comments2023-08-18T12:26:52.573-07:00Comments on Black Men Confronting The Lies And Distortions: The Lesser Value of Black BoysRockyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15184158922025670970noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-38142599320062409812009-10-14T17:06:59.977-07:002009-10-14T17:06:59.977-07:00@Menelik Charles
I started not to respond to you b...@Menelik Charles<br />I started not to respond to you because I figured it was a waste of my time (and yours) but something about your comment bothered me so against my better judgment I left the following response: <br /><br /><br />"Menelik said:<br /><br />TOLD YOU SO! SHE COMES FROM A STABLE FAMILY BACKGROUND WITH A LOVING FATHER!"<br /><br />My response:<br />Read my words again: "My dad was old school. He was an EXCELLENT provider."<br /><br />You read into that statement what you wanted to. The truth is that my father was a HARD worker and, I believe, a good man. But I would not describe him as "loving". He was "in the home" but emotionally distant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-3048731872308352292009-10-11T16:44:22.620-07:002009-10-11T16:44:22.620-07:00This is NOT your blog. You don't decide who ca...<i>This is NOT your blog. You don't decide who can come here and make comments. Why don't you start your own blog and then you can decide who gets banned and who gets to stay?</i><br /><br />Brotha Menelik made a suggestion to you. He didn't give you a directive. We tend to not stoop to the level of censorship that your cowardly cohorts do.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184158922025670970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-24915824205904458422009-10-11T16:40:58.353-07:002009-10-11T16:40:58.353-07:00So why don't these same black men marry white,...<i>So why don't these same black men marry white, Latino or Asian women? The answer is because most black American men don't want to be married to ANYBODY.</i><br /><br />Realize that a significant portion of single black men are divorced, thus they did marry someone. 68% of black men will marry by the age of 35. That 32% who have not married by then would not be "most".<br /><br />http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=101627<br /><br />As far as why the single men have not married other races, the reason would probably be that most black men would prefer to be single if they can't find a good black woman. Along with this, whites are not readily available to blacks for marriage. The vast majority of whites seek to marry other whites while white males who seek non-white women overwhelmingly seek Asian woman. So there you go.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184158922025670970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-72399577824259700692009-10-10T09:00:58.724-07:002009-10-10T09:00:58.724-07:00@Menelik Charles
This is NOT your blog. You don...@Menelik Charles<br />This is NOT your blog. You don't decide who can come here and make comments. Why don't you start your own blog and then you can decide who gets banned and who gets to stay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-86193215834207546462009-10-10T07:49:00.070-07:002009-10-10T07:49:00.070-07:00Go away, please and allow us Black men to self-des...Go away, please and allow us Black men to self-destruct as you claim is happening. Save yourself! Your daughters! Sisters! Mothers!<br /><br />Stop trying to provoke endless responses to matters you have no genuine interest in resolvimishng!<br /><br />Just leave us alone with our statistics lol<br /><br />Bye!Menelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-75811367118565233762009-10-10T07:43:20.629-07:002009-10-10T07:43:20.629-07:00Anon’s distress, anger and childish desire for rev...Anon’s distress, anger and childish desire for revenge at having been scorned as a child is apparent for all to see. She will not take responsibility i.e. care about the welfare of Black men because significant Black men had not taken care of her welfare as a child (doubtless she will claim otherwise).<br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />My dad was old school. He was an EXCELLENT provider. <br /><br />Menelik said:<br /><br />TOLD YOU SO! SHE COMES FROM A STABLE FAMILY BACKGROUND WITH A LOVING FATHER!<br /><br />You can claim anything you like on the www. It's a place of smoke and mirrors, and scorned women to whom harassing men such as Rocky is a natural impulse.<br /><br />I'm over with the two anons on this thread. They can get their psycho-sexual foreplay elsewhere!<br /><br />Menelik Charles<br />London England<br /><br />PS Ichibod, you'll soon tire of these two anons, believe me. They are not here to see sense or even to challenge what's being said(since they typically disgard evidence not to their liking), they are here to harass 'good' Black men since they are patently incapable of engaging them in real life!Menelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-42890152714945647162009-10-10T00:49:49.060-07:002009-10-10T00:49:49.060-07:00"Do you know the four stages of the white man..."Do you know the four stages of the white man's anihilation process? Could one of those stages happen to involve black women? Unless you're actively apart of their plan, how would you know if you were passively being used a weapon? We're not stupid. We fight the best way we can."<br /><br />I happen to disagree somewhat with the brilliant black woman blogger. I agree with her to the extent that white men do not care if black men live or die. I disagree with her that black men have no control over the outcome. <br /><br />Black men, in fact, are the ones who are carrying out the annihilation IN MOST CASES. The overwhelming majority of black men murdered in America ARE MURDERED BY OTHER BLACK MEN. Not white men (i.e., law enforcement) and certainly not black women. Black males are being disproportionately incarcerated (by the way, almost all of them probably belong in jail) but my point is why do so many black males engage in criminal activities in the first place? Black males have the highest HIV/AIDS rates in the United States. Perhaps most tragically, black males have the highest school drop out rates. I could go on but you already know the drill. <br /><br />The fact is that you black men have more to fear FROM EACH OTHER than white men or black women. As I visit black male oriented blogs, I find NONE of them offering solutions to the aforementioned problems. <br /><br />Say what you will about the black women empowerment bloggers, they offer solutions to black women. You may not agree with their solutions (leave black constructs, date/marry "out") but they DO offer solutions. <br /><br />After you've exposed the "lies and distortions", then what? What should black boys and men DO to put their lives on a different track? In other words, where are the black men empowerment bloggers? Or do you black men not see a need for this type of "consciousness raising"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-86009526623126845622009-10-09T12:47:05.245-07:002009-10-09T12:47:05.245-07:00Anoymous said:
"You black men are on your wa...Anoymous said:<br /><br />"You black men are on your way to being wiped out in this country and the only thing you have on your tiny, stupid little minds is finding fault with black women. It's beyond creepy."<br /><br />We many of us already know this. It a shame that you and this "brilliant black woman empowerment blogger" are just finding that out. Have you been living under a rock? That's why we have site's such as these. To confront the lies and deceptions to our credibility. Do you know the four stages of the white man's anihilation process? Could one of those stages happen to involve black women? Unless you're actively apart of their plan, how would you know if you were passively being used a weapon? We're not stupid. We fight the best way we can.<br /><br />"THE gathering place for black American men (and their overseas cohorts)..."<br /><br />It's nice to see you can at least recognize unity when you see it.<br /><br />The last thing we need is black women turning against us. And don't try that, "Black men turned on black women first" crap. Could that deception have been the 1st or 2nd stage perhaps?Ichibodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-54690389154694602662009-10-09T12:27:21.822-07:002009-10-09T12:27:21.822-07:00"The purpose of this blog is to address and e..."The purpose of this blog is to address and expose the the exaggerations, fabrications, distortions and misrepresentations of black men by a MINORITY of black women who frequent the World Wide Web. While these women FAR FROM REPRESENT THE AVERAGE SISTA, the web does give them a voice for their demagoguery. Lets show the world just how absurd THEY are."<br /><br />Happy to be here, Brother Menelik.<br /><br />Anonymous,<br /><br />My comment regarding your gay friends was not one of homophia, but the fact that people who knew Lombard could possibly have said the same thing about him as you said about the gay parents you know. Example of flawed perception.<br /><br />My comments regarding Oprah was in regard to issues in an environment that men were never even meant to be present and the lack of control that even women have with other women and young girls.<br /><br />My dad is still with my mother and they are celebrating 35 years together TODAY. And no he did not teach me to call women that. However, I used it to imply how much I don't care for that woman. I even called my friend who wouldn't stop crying over his ex-girlfriend a bitch the other night... if that's any consolation to you.<br /><br />"OPRAH has more than likely helped more people than you have or will."<br /><br />I applaud Oprah for the roles she has played in films regarding post slavery times and events. They painted clear and vivid pictures of the origins of some of the problems with the men and women in the black community. What do you say about her merely being nominated for her positive roles and Halle Berry actually winning for her "Monster" role?<br /><br />Halle said:<br /><br />"And it's for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has a chance because this door tonight has been opened."<br /><br />Opened to do what? Were you proud or insulted? As a black man, I was insulted.<br /><br />"most black American men don't want to be married to ANYBODY."<br /><br />Do you know how many black men have been cheated on by black women? How many black wives could not be trusted financially with joint accounts? How many black wives/girlfriends could not be trusted with the children? Or could not control their substance abuse issues? Any man of any race would have his apprehensions, but who's to say that women want to be married given the situations that many of them put themselves in and allow themselves to be used? Many men of any race are afraid of THAT woman. I remember an episode of Maury Povich, when this white girl's 3rd or 4th paternity test reveled that "[He] was not the father". She began to cry, "Who's going to want me now". Now that's a woman who recognizes her role in her own problems and the potential impact it could have on her life and future relationships. By the way, most of the girls on Maury's show who don't know who there children's fathers are or want to prove that the deadbeat really is, are white. <br /><br />Statistics don't account for circustances and not every circumstance has a corresponding statistic leaving flawed perception to mislead your thoughts and prolong your ignorance and hatred toward your brothers. <br /><br />Anoymous, just how did you find this site and why are you here anyway? Please don't say Google or Yahoo. That question was rhetorical.Ichibodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-72915782419477397252009-10-09T11:30:50.607-07:002009-10-09T11:30:50.607-07:00A brilliant black woman empowerment blogger just s...A brilliant black woman empowerment blogger just said the following in the comment section on her blog about black men: <br /><br />"... So many black men love to delude themselves into thinking that they are more of a threat to white patriarchy than black women are! Puhleease. Black men will be virtually extinct in the U.S. in twenty years and white men are finishing up stage three of a four stage annihilation process.<br /><br />Black men don't even see that - which proves to white men that they aren't a real threat to white patriarchal systems of power.<br /><br />As my friend said the other day, "a dog on a tight leash isn't threatening to anybody but it barks loudly to create an illusion.<br /><br />No one is threatened by those who are blind to their fate - and who have no plan in place to alter the timing of their demise... ."<br /><br /><br />My response to what this black woman blogger said: <br /><br />You black men are on your way to being wiped out in this country and the only thing you have on your tiny, stupid little minds is finding fault with black women. It's beyond creepy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-12933239015535539442009-10-09T09:38:08.233-07:002009-10-09T09:38:08.233-07:00I guess this site is THE gathering place for black...I guess this site is THE gathering place for black American men (and their overseas cohorts) who think that black women are "loud, sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, negative, sedentary and non-vetting". <br /><br />This is the site to be if you are a 'black woman hating' black man from anywhere. I get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-73073665135296858812009-10-09T08:03:20.026-07:002009-10-09T08:03:20.026-07:00@ Ichibod,
hi Bro. Nice to see you over here!
Me...@ Ichibod,<br /><br />hi Bro. Nice to see you over here!<br /><br />Menelik Charles<br />London EnglandMenelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-80103704233731008462009-10-09T05:37:35.463-07:002009-10-09T05:37:35.463-07:00@Ichibod said:
"Where is your dad? Was he the...@Ichibod said:<br />"Where is your dad? Was he the sissy responsible for your ignorance?"<br /><br />My response:<br />My dad was old school. He was an EXCELLENT provider. <br /><br />Where is/was YOUR dad? Did he teach you to call black women bitches? If he did, he's a piece of black male garbage JUST LIKE YOU. OPRAH has more than likely helped more people than you have or will. <br /><br />@Icabod said:<br />"First off, you don't know this Frank Lombard character. He may be exactly like the gay men you know that just haven't been caught yet. ..."<br /><br />My response:<br />Is Mr. Silly Sausage, I mean Menelik Charles, going to call Icabod a "homophobe" for suggesting that all gay men are boy molesters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-7941204478699987492009-10-09T03:32:25.647-07:002009-10-09T03:32:25.647-07:00@Rocky
Speaking of statistics, one statistic we ca...@Rocky<br />Speaking of statistics, one statistic we can ALL agree on is that 65% of black American men are single. <br /><br />Of course, according to Rocky, the reason that 65% of black American men are not married is because black women are "loud, sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, negative, sedentary and non-vetting". <br /><br />So why don't these same black men marry white, Latino or Asian women? The answer is because most black American men don't want to be married to ANYBODY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-36570581251992175042009-10-08T21:01:17.283-07:002009-10-08T21:01:17.283-07:00It seems this Anonymous person doesn't realize...It seems this Anonymous person doesn't realize the many factors that can render a person absent. Whatever happened to black fathers who perhaps die of a terminal illness, die in a car crash, accidental death at the work place, realize that they were gay all along, killed in action or other line of duty, imprisoned justly or injustly, murdered by a complete stranger or murdered by the wife/baby momma. Read the newspaper, those little slips in your mailbox, or the side of a milk carton. Black men do come up missing just like anyone else.<br /><br />You have no idea what happened to that little boy's parents which, in turn, landed him in an orphanage. Nevermind how the foster care system failed him.<br /><br />Anonymous spewed:<br /><br />"I called this man a pervert not because he's gay but because he allegedly was pimping a child. I happen to know gay men who are raising children and they are NOTHING like this man."<br /><br />First off, you don't know this Frank Lombard character. He may be exactly like the gay men you know that just haven't been caught yet. This is a perfect example of how flawed personal perception can be.<br /> <br />By the way, the bitch's name is OPRAH, NOT OPHRA! And even her school, run by women, came under fire and garnered media attention for the abuse of many girls there as well as sexual misconduct amongst students. It appears this is what happens when you sequester a bunch of girls in a school and subject young damaged boys to grown gay men, who just may have been highly regarded as good people, by someone such as yourself. A bunch of young lesbians and NAMBLA rejects having a field day. <br /><br />Where is your dad? Was he the sissy responsible for your ignorance? It's funny how you, and many other black women don't like statistics, especially when then shed a negative light on black women. So just where do you even get the notion that so many black men neglect or abandon their families? Statistics perhaps?Ichibodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-60390187455936100972009-10-08T06:52:02.751-07:002009-10-08T06:52:02.751-07:00@ The two anons,
do please give yourself an ident...@ The two anons,<br /><br />do please give yourself an identity of sorts (though I can guess by the use of certain terminology who one of you is)it makes 'engaging' with you less complicated.<br /><br />Anyway, I shall get back to both of you in due course.<br /><br />Menelik Charles<br />London EnglandMenelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-67881798284855819952009-10-08T06:38:28.707-07:002009-10-08T06:38:28.707-07:00Anon said:
Black men murdering black children lef...Anon said:<br /><br />Black men murdering black children left in their care by irresponsible mothers IS THE ORDER OF THE DAY in my city. I'm sure this is happening all across the USA. But THAT doesn't interest you at all, does it?<br /><br />Rocky said:<br /><br />If we break it down by states, we have an average of 2 black children murdered by their fathers annually in each U.S. state. Break that down by cities and you have LESS than one black child murdered by his or her father on average per U.S city. <br /><br />When I say “LESS”, that means that some cities would have zero fathers murdering their own children in a year in many cities, counties parishes and towns.<br /><br />Thus…your statement doesn't jibe with statistics and shows that you are just saying something that you can't honestly justify.<br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />1) Don't you guys get it? Who cares about YOUR statistics? <br />Please, no more statistics. I really do not care about stats. <br /><br />2) Throw your statistics around all you want. They do not take the place of a "solution…" <br /><br />3) Statistics can be manipulated to support whatever position you want them to support. Stats don't mean a whole lot to most people. <br /><br />4) I'll take my personal perceptions and the personal perceptions of people I respect over stats ANY day<br /><br />Menelik says:<br /><br />1) Don’t you get it? These are not Bro Rocky’s statistics. They are national statistics!<br /><br />2) Statistics don’t provide solutions, you silly sausage lol they are merely a means of measuring trends.<br /><br />3) Rocky has shown statistically that Black men murdering Black children is NOT “the order of the day” as you claimed.<br /><br />4) Your personal perceptions, and those of your friends, are skewed by a collective animosity towards Black men and defenceless little Black boys. <br /><br />QUESTION: <br /><br />How is it anon can say “Black men murdering black children is the order of the day…” thereby suggesting it is the statistical NORM - but as soon as this assertion/perception is statistically challenged, she suddenly has no time for statistics? <br /><br />ANSWER: <br /><br />She is consumed with a deep contempt towards Black males from defenceless infants to feeble old men, and it is this Pharaoh-like hatred of members of Africa’s lost tribe which has determined her death-wish sentiments towards Black males in her responses here. <br /><br />But there are sub-conscious distress signals in her posts which portray her true predicament and the temporary role the moderator, Rocky, is currently playing in it. Consider the example below. <br /><br />Anon said: <br /><br />MEN are supposed to be strong and independent, not weak little sissies who need women to show them the way. They are supposed to show boys how to be men instead of punking out… <br /><br />Menelik said:<br /><br />Aside from sounding like one of those macho, homophobic, Black males in the hood, are we to gather from her remarks that only females can be “sissies” i.e. “weak” and dependent? If so, dependent on who? Men perhaps?<br /><br />Moreover, is Rocky one of these “weak little sissies” she speaks of? I suspect she senses he is not which makes him an ideal target for her bitters barbs. If he didn’t communicate a strong, tolerant, masculine spirit, she couldn’t muster the necessary motivation to engage him here. <br /><br />Rocky, I suspect, is merely a scapegoat upon whom she heaps the sins of her father, and possibly other Black males who apparently failed to make up for her father’s parental deficiencies. <br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />I will not take responsibility for any black man. Ever. If I decide to share my resources I will share what resources I have with women and girls. Not boys and definitely not men. <br /><br />Menelik said:<br /><br />Anon’s distress, anger and childish desire for revenge at having been scorned as a child is apparent for all to see. She will not take responsibility i.e. care about the welfare of Black men because significant Black men had not taken care of her welfare as a child (doubtless she will claim otherwise).<br /><br />Menelik Charles <br />London EnglandMenelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-17610052187581175032009-10-08T01:13:47.816-07:002009-10-08T01:13:47.816-07:00@Menelick Charles said:
"If this woman is not...@Menelick Charles said:<br />"If this woman is not, therefore, the very embodiment of the stereotypical “evil” Black woman then I don’t know what is!<br /><br />One can only hope she is unable to have children since her lack of emotional intelligence, and moral compass, can only lead to all her children becoming “damaged beyond repair”. Just like her."<br /><br />My response:<br />The really "evil" ones are those BLACK MEN who don't "provide for and protect" their OWN black sons. The "evil" ones are those black men who REFUSE to pay child support for their OWN children. These "evil" MEN, who don't provide for and protect THEIR OWN children, are the ones who should not have children. <br /><br />You are a depraved, weak excuse for a man for daring to suggest that a black woman is supposed to spend her limited resources/time on some RANDOM black boy. Are YOU spending YOUR resources on RANDOM black boys? Why aren't the biological FATHERS of these black boys spending THEIR resources (and time!) on their OWN sons? Answer that! <br /><br />The molested black boy who is the subject of this thread was failed long before he ended up being adopted by this particular monster. He was failed by his own black biological "daddy" who didn't provide for and protect him. If this boy's black biological daddy had been providing for and protecting him, he would never have ended up being adopted in the first place because he would have been WITH his biological father. <br /><br />American black so-called men don't get it. In this patriarchal world, EVERYTHING begins and ends with the man. If the man is "providing and protecting" the way a HETEROSEXUAL MAN is supposed to, society works as it is supposed to. If the MAN is not doing what a MAN is supposed to do, society/communities fall apart. Period. Every other race of MAN sees it this way EXCEPT American black men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-66038782375352762472009-10-07T17:42:35.280-07:002009-10-07T17:42:35.280-07:00@Menelick Charles & Rocky
Since you are so hor...@Menelick Charles & Rocky<br />Since you are so horrified that a black woman has dared to make a conscious decision to put black women and girls FIRST (as if that was a crime, smh), have you shared any of YOUR resources with black boys who are not your biological or adopted children? <br /><br />Perhaps anon decided to put black women and girls FIRST because they are the victims of street harassment and mass rape in black constructs. And this sexual defilment of black women AND girls is carried out mostly by black men and boys THESE DAYS. And, of course, no one cares: the so-called "good" black men of the so-called "black community" do NOTHING about ANY of this. Because they DON'T care. <br /><br />Don't tell me or any black woman what we "owe" some random black men or BOY - a black boy who might grow up and become one of the aforementioned sexual harassers/rapers of black women AND girls!<br /><br /><br />If black boys are "valued less", my question is when are BLACK MEN going to do something about it? Besides blaming "white racism" and black women. Oh, I forgot. Black women are not "women", we are "loud, sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, negative, sedentary and non-vetting". In other words, fat BITCHES and HOES.<br /><br />Except for immediate family members, an individual's resources are shared with "unrelated others" at that person's own discretion. Which means that if they choose NOT to share said resources with unrelated others, for ANY reason, THEY HAVE NO MORAL OR LEGAL REASON TO DO SO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-71214709263308242202009-10-07T07:17:44.113-07:002009-10-07T07:17:44.113-07:00@Menelick Charles
Anon said:
"As a woman I fe...@Menelick Charles<br />Anon said:<br />"As a woman I feel that I can be of better service to black women and girls… if I decide to share my resources I will share what resources I have with women and girls. Not boys and definitely not men."<br /><br />Menelick replied, in part: <br />"Clearly, these “sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, and negative” comments are so deeply rooted in anger towards Black adult males (i.e. failed patriarchs) that she’s even willing to deprived Black boys of any resource she may have which might conceivably save their lives."<br /><br />My response:<br />I am responsible for MY OWN children and NO ONE else's. As a individual with limited resources I am NOT inclined to share those resources with ANYONE (male or female) who is not a member of my IMMEDIATE family. If I decide to share MY resources with SOMEONE ELSE'S children, I will do so at MY discretion and on MY terms. If you don't like it, too bad. <br /><br />Talk show hostess, "Ophra", built an ALL-GIRLS school (go Ophra!) in South Africa several years ago. That was her perogative. Was Ophra a bad lady (lol) for making her school a girls only school? <br /><br />There are plenty of black male millionaires (athletes, entertainers and others) who COULD start schools for black boys but they don't care about starting schools for black boys. They spend their money on fast women, fancy homes, cars, parties, hanging out in low-life bars, you name it. These rich black men don't care about your poor little black boys. Why don't you blame them for "depriving" black boys of whatever? They have far more in the way of resources then I do. <br /><br />If black men were better "providers and protectors" of black women and CHILDREN, black boys (and girls) would be in a much better position. But I guess that hasn't occurred to the so-called black men that comment on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-30956745190712438992009-10-06T20:27:07.347-07:002009-10-06T20:27:07.347-07:00Well said Brotha Menelik.Well said Brotha Menelik.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184158922025670970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-48054457501484222962009-10-06T07:30:24.861-07:002009-10-06T07:30:24.861-07:00Rocky said:
The devaluing comes from the “Somethi...Rocky said:<br /><br />The devaluing comes from the “Something New Crew” and other “Black Female Empowerment Bloggers” as well as many whites. I care little of how white people view us." <br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />Why is the idea of black women empowering themselves so threatening to some (many?) black men? Why did you even mention whites if you "care" so "little" about how they "view us".<br /><br />Menelik replies:<br /><br />The titled of Rocky’s blog is “Black men Confronting the Lies & Distortions”…this the Brother does on a regular enough basis. With statistics, reason and rhyme. Does the idea of this one Black man so doing threaten you? <br /><br />Are you not confidant enough in your own personal perceptions of the multitude of black male “failings” (around which a whole Black-male obsessed internet-based movement has been founded) to not just simply ignore Rocky? <br /><br />Why bother to post here if you care so little about how he views “Black female Empowerment Bloggers”?<br /><br />Oh, and Rocky mentions whites, I suspect, because 1) not only do “Black Female Empowerment Bloggers” hold white men up as the very epitome of civilised masculinity, they also 2) draw heavily on traditional white-male constructed racist depictions of Black male criminality, savagery and wanton sexual activity. All behaviours, as it happens, white men historically most frequently inflicted upon Black women!<br /><br />Rocky said:<br /><br />All we ask, if you want us to commit, and you desire to start families with us, is to stop being so loud, sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, negative, sedentary and non-vetting. This would be a big step toward a "solution".<br /><br />Menelik says:<br /><br />And one of the most “irrational” aspects of the “Something New Crew’s” so-called “empowerment” ideology is that this emphasis on Black men’s alleged failure to take up the reins of family and community leadership (i.e. to “protect and to serve” women and children) against white men’s alleged willingness to do so, actually exposes these women as nothing less than embittered advocates of male patriarchy!<br /><br />You don’t believe me? Then do please read carefully the comments of anon below.<br /><br />Anon said:<br /><br />As a woman I feel that I can be of better service to black women and girls… if I decide to share my resources I will share what resources I have with women and girls. Not boys and definitely not men.<br /><br />Menelik replies:<br /><br />Now how mean-spirited and “irrational” were those remarks above? And how ironic that her words should lend support to 1) Rocky’s assertion of her explicit “animosity toward black men and boys”, and 2) to the wider "hypothesis of “the lesser value of Black boys” in relation to Black females. <br /><br />Clearly, these “sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, and negative” comments are so deeply rooted in anger towards Black adult males (i.e. failed patriarchs) that she’s even willing to deprived Black boys of any resource she may have which might conceivably save their lives. <br /><br />If this woman is not, therefore, the very embodiment of the stereotypical “evil” Black woman then I don’t know what is!<br /> <br />One can only hope she is unable to have children since her lack of emotional intelligence, and moral compass, can only lead to all her children becoming “damaged beyond repair”. Just like her.<br /><br />Menelik Charles<br />London EnglandMenelik Charlesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-34637308802368257752009-10-04T08:21:51.578-07:002009-10-04T08:21:51.578-07:00Let me respond to her question.
I work with young...Let me respond to her question.<br /><br />I work with young boys so I am PERSONALLY doing something.<br /><br />Black men have nothing against black women and their "empowerment" blogs. For you to be empowered means you must tear down black men?<br /><br />I disagree with that. You can empower yourself different ways instead of tearing down black men.<br /><br />You mentioned black men are dependent on black women. Black women "let men become dependent on them" from an EARLY AGE. I will even go deeper than that. Young black girls see "their mommy" doing this. So they end up doing the same thing in their adult relationships with black men. The cycle continues on.<br /><br />That is why you have the "baby boy syndrome". You act like black men force black women to "take them in". Some black women "put up" with those characteristics of black men just so they won't be alone.<br /><br />That is what bothers me about some sellout black women. It is never their fault for anything. Nobody says you must take in "wayward" black men. There are more black women in poverty than black men.<br /><br />Some low income black women feel it's better to have a black man doing "a little bit of something" than doing nothing at all.<br /><br />Some black women have these black men watch their kids. Pick their kids up from school while they work. It may not be a perfect relationship but it is HELL OF A LOT better than being alone and struggling.<br /><br />Many of you sellout black women look at life from a middle class perspective. Some people just never grew up in a middle class lifestyle. Some come from dysfunctional families. You can't compare your family life to their family life. It took me a long time to realize that. I grew up middle class. After working in the "hood" I realized people grew up in some "fucked up" situations.<br /><br />You look at the world as black and white. I look at the world as "gray". You can't judge all black women on their arrangements with "black men who may not have reached their potential due to whatever personal issues they have.<br /><br />I certainly haven't met a black woman that was perfect.<br /><br />How the hell can black men devalue black boys when were BLACK BOYS OURSELVES!<br /><br />Your statement does not even make any sense.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219240435751933526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-18899821141413123182009-10-04T07:02:37.293-07:002009-10-04T07:02:37.293-07:00Rocky said:
"I asked you what you are going t...Rocky said:<br />"I asked you what you are going to do about YOUR lesser valuing of black boys and men. In other words, what are you going to do about this particular character flaw that you possess?"<br /><br />You don't know ME personally. I will dismiss this question as you being silly. <br /><br />Rocky said:<br />"I don't devalue black boys/men nor black girls/women. Same for most black men. Most black women don’t devalue black boys and men."<br /><br />My Response:<br />So what's the problem. If what you said is true, why are you concerned about a few black women bloggers. <br /><br />Rocky said:<br />"The devaluing comes from the “Something New Crew” and other “Black Female Empowerment Bloggers” as well as many whites. I care little of how white people view us."<br /><br />My Response:<br />Why is the idea of black women empowering themselves so theatening to some (many?) black men? Why did you even mention whites if you "care" so "little" about how they "view us". <br /><br />Rocky said:<br />"If 65% of black men are single, doesn’t that indicate a desire for black men to be independent and not dependent on women for anything? Single men don’t have women cooking for them, washing and ironing their clothes, cleaning their houses, helping them pay their bills, etc."<br /><br />My Response:<br />Just because a black man is single doesn't mean that he's not dependent on women in some way. Many adult black men live with their mothers. Some black men are living with women they are not married to. <br /><br />Question. Where do you think incarcerated black men go when they get out of prison? They go to: 1) momma or 2) "girlfriends" and/or f*ck buddies. Momma lets them freeload in various ways (she complains to anyone who will listen but she still allows it). Single men are often VERY dependent on female family members. Male relatives are much less likely to put up with this sh!t from loser males.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4567787243850242789.post-77943570214034062722009-10-03T14:33:11.542-07:002009-10-03T14:33:11.542-07:00I am not going to do ANYTHING about the so-called ...<i>I am not going to do ANYTHING about the so-called "lesser value" of black boys. That's YOUR issue: you brought it up.</i><br /><br />Didn't ask you that. Read more carefully. I asked you what you are going to do about <b>YOUR</b> lesser valuing of black boys and men. In other words, what are you going to do about this particular character flaw that you possess? The only people we have total control over are ourselves. I don't devalue black boys/men nor black girls/women. Same for most black men. Most black women don’t devalue black boys and men. The devaluing comes from the “Something New Crew” and other “Black Female Empowerment Bloggers” as well as many whites. I care little of how white people view us. I’m simply showing your hypocrisy and how much you make things up. <br /><br />What you are confused about is the notion that anyone here is whining. You tend to interpret or pretend to interpret people’s statements to fit your clichés. I addressed the lesser valuing of black boys for the sake of dispelling the notion put out by you and yours that black boys are valued more than black girls. You put this falsehood out for the sake of promoting black female victimism. If you didn’t promote such falsehoods, I would have never brought up the subject.<br /><br />Also, I want to address your inconsistencies. You proclaim that black men are not independent and depend on black women, yet on the other hand, you stress how black men don’t want to marry or commit. If 65% of black men are single, doesn’t that indicate a desire for black men to be independent and not dependent on women for anything? Single men don’t have women cooking for them, washing and ironing their clothes, cleaning their houses, helping them pay their bills, etc. The truth is that black men are not asking black women for anything and actually ask for less from black women than our grandfathers did. All we ask is that if you want us to commit and you desire to start families with us, stop being so loud, sour, irrational, self-centered, truculent, cynical, negative, sedentary and non-vetting. This would be a big step toward a "solution".<br /><br />And regarding statistics. I will take statistics over your perceptions any day.Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184158922025670970noreply@blogger.com